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In this episode, we tackle the contested and often misunderstood question of Christian Nationalism. With two guests offering opposing perspectives—David Ramirez arguing in favor and Peter Burfeind raising concerns—we explore what the term actually means, where it comes from, and whether it can be squared with Lutheran theology. The conversation probes the relationship between Church and state, the limits of political authority, the nature of Christ’s kingdom, and the risks of confusing the Gospel with national identity. Our aim is not heat, but clarity—testing claims carefully, naming real points of disagreement, and helping listeners think more precisely about faith, nation, and Christian witness in the public square.

Links:

Books/Articles: 

"The Challenge of History: Luther's Two Kingdoms Theology as a Test Case" by Prof. Cameron MacKenzie 

http://www.ctsfw.net/media/pdfs/mackenziechallengeofhistory.pdf

Gnostic America by Pr. Peter Burfiend

https://www.amazon.com/Gnostic-America-Contemporary-according-Christianitys/dp/0692260498

Martin Luther and Religious Liberty by Pr. David P. Ramirez 

https://www.academia.edu/89633865/Martin_Luther_and_Religious_Liberty

"Are Rulers to Uphold both Tables of the Law" by Pr. David Ramirez

https://cc.lutherclassical.org/summer-2025/are-rulers-to-uphold-both-tables-of-the-law/

Interviews (in chronological order):

Christian Nationalism-The Gottesdienst Crowd

https://www.gottesdienst.org/podcast/2022/11/2/tgc-232-christian-nationalism

Biermann-Ramirez Debate on Christian Nationalism-On The Line

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIru3RAff28

A Christian Response to Christian Nationalism-Issues, Etc.

https://issuesetc.org/2025/10/09/a-christian-response-to-christian-nationalism-pr-peter-burfeind-10-9-25-2822/

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Host: Fr. Jason Braaten

Regular Guest: Fr. David Ramirez

Special Guest: Fr. Peter Burfeind

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