We know what we're against but not for

If you’re looking for historical thinkers who can help you navigate authoritarianism, fascism, totalitarianism, and questions of human rights, you’d do worse than to start with Hannah Arendt, one of the most influential political theorists of the 20th century. I’ve found myself returning to her words repeatedly over the past few years for exactly this reason. You’re perhaps already familiar with the phrase “the banality of evil.” This is one of her most famous contributions to thought, and emerged from her analysis of the trial of Adolf Eichmann, one of the key Nazi figures in organizing the Holocaust in the book Eichmann in Jerusalem.

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Bard College is home to the Hannah Arendt Center for Politics and Humanities, whose mission is to “create and nurture an institutional space for bold, risky and provocative thinking about our political world in the spirit of Hannah Arendt,” and to “to empower a plural people to at once (re)discover their unique opinions and political agency and also find common ground to build together a shared world through thinking, listening, and talking with one another.”

Today’s guest is the founder and academic director of the Center, and as you’d guess, we have a wide-ranging conversation linking the aforementioned topics to today’s political environment, with a special eye on the US. We also discuss the 2025 edition of the Center’s annual conference, themed “Joy: Loving the World in Dark Times,” which feels especially pertinent as America continues to tilt toward authoritarianism—an evolution I’ve called quantum fascism. Notably, Roger disagrees that we Americans are currently living under a fascist regime, though understands why people are inclined to think we are. Whether or not you agree, his argument is compelling and based in close analysis.

What I so appreciate about this conversation is that Roger is committed to his political and personal ethics, and in some cases this means he gets a little controversial relative to more mainstream liberal or leftist positions. The result is a bracing, edifying conversation. We get into so much, in fact, that we held off on diving deep on his forthcoming book, A World We Share: Hannah Arendt and the Power of Friendship in a Broken World. The good news is Roger has agreed to come back on the show in the fall to go deep on it with me. Until then, please enjoy this powerful conversation with Roger Berkowitz.

BIO: Roger Berkowitz is Founder and Academic Director of the Hannah Arendt Center for Politics and Humanities and Professor of Politics, Philosophy, and Human Rights at Bard College.

He is author of The Gift of Science: Leibniz and the Modern Legal Tradition (Harvard, 2005, Fordham, 2010; Chinese Law Press 2011) and his new book A World We Share: Hannah Arendt and the Power of Friendship in a Broken World will appear in 2026 from Yale University Press.

Berkowitz is the host of the podcast, Reading Hannah Arendt with Roger Berkowitz. He is also a regular panelist on The Roundtable, a daily news show for WAMC, the NPR affiliate in Albany, NY, and hosts For the Love of the World on Radio Kingston. Berkowitz wrote the Introduction for On Civil Disobedience: Henry David Thoreau and Hannah Arendt (Library of America, 2024), and he has edited Tribalism and Cosmopolitanism (DeGruyter, 2025) and Perils of Invention: Lying, Technology and the Human Condition (Blackrose Books, 2022). He is co-editor of Thinking in Dark Times: Hannah Arendt on Ethics and Politics (2009), The Intellectual Origins of the Global Financial Crisis (2012) and Artifacts of Thinking: Reading Hannah Arendt’s Denktagebuch (2017). His writing has appeared in The New York Times, The American Interest, Bookforum, The Paris Review Online, Democracy: A Journal of Ideas, and many other publications. He is a co-editor of the book series “Thinking With Arendt” published by DeGruyter and past editor of Just Ideas, a book series published by Fordham University Press.

CREDITS: This podcast is produced & edited by Adam Labrie & me, Jesse Damiani. Kyriaki (Claire) Lampidou shot & produced this episode, & Adam Labrie edited the video version, which is available on YouTube.

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