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Growing up a refugee, Nataly Kogan learned all about suffering as a child. She was raised to believe that the only way good things could happen or that she could achieve success was through hard work and suffering first. But through years and years of study and redoing that thought process, she’s learned that suffering isn’t always necessary for happiness. She shares her thoughts about happiness, starting her company Happier, the science behind kindness, and more with us.

Nataly Kogan came to the United States as a refugee when she was 13, and she’s become a successful entrepreneur and venture capitalist in her career. She’s the co-founder and CEO of Happier Inc.

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