Craziest Expense Fraud Story

In this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with Federico Acabbi, investment banker at RBC, to break down what’s happening across cybersecurity, infrastructure, and the broader software market. They cover why horizontal software is under pressure while security spend holds up, what it really takes to go public today, and how the IPO process actually works behind the scenes—from diligence to pricing.

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LINKS: 

Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN

Federico: https://www.linkedin.com/in/federicoacabbi/

rbccm.com

CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/

Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com

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TIMESTAMPS:

0:00 Preview and intro

2:36 Software investability right now

6:46 Cyber — CFO's #2 investment priority

8:17 AI turbocharging attacks

9:08 DevOps disruption

10:30 Sponsors — Rillet | Tabs | Abacum

13:55 IPO landscape overview

14:33 Revenue and market cap benchmarks

19:24 Founder share sales at IPO

22:28 Secondary market vs. IPO market

23:14 How many IPOs can the market digest?

24:20 Investor mix for larger vs. smaller IPOs

25:04 Sponsors — Brex | Metronome | RightRev

28:23 Role of mutual funds in IPOs

30:00 What banks actually do on an IPO

31:49 Book building and allocation

32:43 Research coverage

35:52 NDRs and testing the waters

38:59 Roadshow format — then vs. now

40:41 Direct listings explained

43:57 How banks make money on IPOs

44:56 Fee splits between banks

47:36 IPO vs. M&A — which is more attractive?

51:02 Junior banking story — Nokia and the Vespa

54:31 Craziest expense story

56:08 Credits