Retribution as an Addictive Drive

What do you do with guilt if some of what you struggle with isn’t just a choice, but something you were wired for?

Josh Harris sits down with Kathryn Paige Harden, a behavioral geneticist and author of Original Sin, to explore what happens when ideas like sin, blame, and responsibility are examined through the lens of science. Together, they talk about how our DNA shapes behavior, why suffering can feel easier to accept when we think we deserve it, and what it means to hold both biology and belief without rushing to easy answers.

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