Anthropic's consumer surge vs. OpenAI

This Week In Startups is made possible by:Circle — http://circle.so/twistHubspot Creators — http://clickhubspot.com/twist2Uber AI Solutions — http://uber.com/ai-solutionsToday’s show: *Dave Morin joined the show today to explain how the OpenClaw Foundation came into existence, and what its goals are. Fear not, Peter Steinberger retains directional control of the project. But if you want to sustain an open-source project over time, you need a corporate entity, well-heeled sponsors, maintainers and more. Morin is helping make sure that OpenClaw can stay true to itself well into the future.TWIST also put the day’s most critical AI stories to Morin for his insight: What’s his take on the Anthropic-DoW fracas? Does Morin think that OpenAI and Anthropic are catching up to OpenClaw in agentic terms? And will OpenAI cede the consumer crown to Anthropic? Next came two amazing demos: Runtools’ CTO Greg Kara showed off a 3D interface for OpenClaw that his team built, allowing ‘Claw users to watch their agents work in real time, and even read over their shoulder. Then PickelWatch founder George Yameen showed off an agnetic workflow using OpenClaw and Claude’s Chrome plugin side-by-side. The gist? Make sure that the agentic service you select is cost-effective. **GUESTS:**Dave Morin: https://x.com/davemorin?lang=enGreg Kara: https://x.com/GregKara6George Yameen: https://x.com/GeorgeYameen**Timestamps:** 00:00 Dave Morin Joins the Show

02:31 How Dave Morin got Claw-Pilled

05:01 Jason’s critical OpenClaw moments

08:38 How Dave showcases his OpenClaw skills

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14:40 How long has the OpenClaw Foundation existed?

17:21 How much authority does Peter Steinberger retain?

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19:20 How ‘air traffic control’ works for a project like OpenClaw

23:15 The economics of open-source maintainers

25:13 Dave’s physical OpenClaw setup

27:45 How Jason uses OpenClaw to curate his reading, fashion, and travel

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32:18 Why the second wave of ideas is where things get the most interesting

34:06 Apple’s slow movement and hesitance to depricate products

39:51 How Jason uses OpenClaw to coach the next generation of executives

44:52 Are Anthropic and OpenAI catching up to OpenClaw?

49:40 Introduction to Runtools.AI

53:49 Runtools.AI demo of 3D OpenClaw environment

57:06 Introduction to PickleWatch

57:27 PickelWatch demo of Claude Chrome vs. OpenClaw

01:03:38 How PickleWatch ups your pickleball swing

32:56 Jason’s advice for founders on stumbling onto new ideas

42:16 Jason on the DoW’s handling of the Anthropic mess

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