Hope versus optimism defined

When the world is on fire, it’s difficult to stay hopeful. But our future depends on it.

This episode was produced by Avishay Artsy, edited by Jenny Lawton, fact-checked by Melissa Hirsch, engineered by David Tatasciore, and hosted by Jonquilyn Hill.

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