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Secondaries aren’t a niche anymore — they’re the main event. In 2025, the secondary market hit $233B, outpacing IPOs 5:1. This episode breaks down how we got here, why companies stay private longer, and how employees, investors, and CFOs actually navigate liquidity. From Facebook’s wild west to structured tenders and continuation vehicles — this is the new playbook.

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TIMESTAMPS:

0:00 The $233B market replacing IPOs

2:57 What is a secondary?

4:24 The dot-com hangover

5:48 The wild west era

8:58 Sponsors — Aleph | RightRev | Rillet

12:21 Why companies stay private longer

13:56 The three stakeholders

18:57 When is it too early?

20:42 How to run one of these things

23:57 Sponsors — EY | SpendHound | Brex

27:04 Not all shares are created equal

31:08 The good, the bad, and the ugly

34:23 GP-led continuation vehicles

36:19 The whole game changed

37:34 Credits

#RunTheNumbersPodcast #PrivateMarkets #SecondaryMarkets #VentureCapital #CFO