Are the Counts Overstated or Underreported?

In this eye-opening episode of Based Camp, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive into a paradoxical dataset: despite widespread narratives of violence against trans and non-binary individuals, statistics from organizations like HRC, A4TE, and TGEU reveal shockingly low rates of violent deaths—far below the general population, especially for non-Black trans people. They crunch the numbers, debunk myths, and explore potential explanations: Could it be hormone therapy reducing aggression? Social isolation keeping them safer? Hidden privilege or something else entirely? The conversation also covers the overrepresentation of trans individuals in mass shootings, cultural vibes around gender, and wild tangents like AI hallucinations, hypnotism, and geopolitical musings. Buckle up for data-driven insights that challenge assumptions—no holds barred!

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Episode Transcript

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. Today we are gonna need to be talking about a paradox, which is, if you look at the organizations that Mark, how many trans or non-binary people die violent deaths a year?

The numbers are odd because they are always incredibly low, well, well below the general population. If we go with non-black trans individuals. That would mean that you have only 0.38 deaths per year combined to four per a hundred thousand for the general population. Which is wow,

Simone Collins: man,

Malcolm Collins: sanely low.

Specifically you would be looking at a rate that is around by, by some estimates, like if I go by a four TE’s estimates for non-black trans individuals, they have a, a violent death rate that would have to be multiplied by 10.5 to be the same as the regular non-trans [00:01:00] cis rate.

Simone Collins: What is their secret?

This is sign me up for this,

Malcolm Collins: and this is the reason I wanted to get into this is one, this goes directly to the opposite is trans people always would be like. Trans people, don’t you understand?

Simone Collins: Yeah. Something, something hate crimes and the police and everyone wants to beat me up. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Well, the statistics don’t agree with you on that.

The statistics actually show that trans people live enormously privileged lives. And so the question is, is why, well, so we’ll be going into the statistics. Is it that they’re wealthier on average? Is it that they do less drugs on average? Is it that they like what could be causing this, right? What could be causing these?

And before I jump into the numbers here, if you wanna be like, well, these organizations say that these numbers aren’t exhaustive for the number of trans and non-binary people who are killed violently every year. It’s like, yeah, but they try really hard. Like,

Simone Collins: okay, Chris, question off the bat, when we’re comparing the, the trans rates of violent [00:02:00] deaths to the general population, are we talking men to men?

Or are we talking all men and women?

Malcolm Collins: We’re gonna go into that.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: But when we are talking these numbers if you are reading this, what somebody is going to say is hey. Malcolm those numbers is they couldn’t find every single trans and non-binary person who died violently to which I would push back and I’d be like, actually, the numbers are probably over counts, so I’ll explain why.

They’re probably over counts. First of all, being trans or non-binary. It’s not like being a member of some other communities where you’re not like. All in where your friends do not definitely notify these organizations, where these organizations do not definitely wanna make it look like tons of trans people are dying, right?

Like, this isn’t you, you’re not like, kind of in the trans lifestyle or something like that. It’s not like gay. We’re like. A person may have been gay and like they weren’t interested in telling like the big gay rights orgs or something like that. [00:03:00] It seems very unlikely, especially given how politically charged the topic is these days that individuals would not be.

Ed, and then you have the problem of, oh, somebody wore a dress one day or something like that. And the trans organizations in terms of trans shooters, which we’ll go over the data on that again. Yeah. Because it is, it is really twisted that they’re like, we are so much at risk from you when the actual studies, like if you actually just run the math, they are mass shooters at like, I think it’s like 10 x the rate and they are likely to be killed at like one 10th the rate.

Yeah. So, we’ve gotta go over. It, it’s so weird. It’s like, it’s like the, the wolf, you know, they’re deep in sheep carcasses, drenched in blood, being like, the sheep are always bullying me. You know, and so the question is. And this is just the data here. People like, we’re, we’re gonna go into these.

I will name the individuals we can go through, you can look them up. But what I will be pointing out [00:04:00] is that the number of trans mass shooters is sometimes inflated by conservatives who wanna find, you know, every potential person who could be, you know, wore a dress in one photo or something like that, right?

Mm-hmm. And I think that that is, you’re going to see a similar phenomenon from trans rights organizations where they’re going to want to inflate their numbers, so they’re gonna look for everyone they possibly can. Of course.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And you’re not gonna have as many people to fight back against these organizations.

Miscategorizing, somebody who died as trans as you would have people trying to miss a fight back against people. Miscategorizing, a mass shooter is trans. And I would point out here that then if you’re gonna go, well, the mass shooter rate might be inflated. Because people was a reason to inflate the number might choose to in the way that they’re counting things.

Why do you say that For conservative orgs and then not the trans orgs that are counting the trans people who died from? So my guess is at the very, probably these numbers are over counted, but even if the numbers are not over [00:05:00] counted, it’s not like you doubled these numbers, or if you tripled these numbers, you would get a rate of equivalent to non-trans violent deaths.

You would need to increase them astronomically to get a number equivalent. And, and that’s just implausible to me that that’s the explanation, right? I think, yeah, if you were grabbing for that explanation you are just denying reality at this point. So let’s go over the specific orgs here. So the first thing to note is that for the first organization here, they very helpfully split out and, and pointed out that 70% of the people who had died of the trans people who had died were black.

And if you look across all of the studies, they all that black people. Trans black people die at a way higher violent rate than non-black trans people. Right? And this is why we able to talk about the white or the non-black, because the very low rates of Hispanic trans victimization as well.

Simone Collins: Well, but also do the rates of black trans people [00:06:00] dying violent deaths surpass those of just black people in America.

Malcolm Collins: I did not compare them by race, but what I can say is black trans people actually have about twice the rate of dying violently as non-trans people.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: So black trans people actually are at risk for being trans.

Simone Collins: Yeah. But I mean, I also just feel like being a black American, your odds of,

Malcolm Collins: well, the, yeah, the, the, the caveat here is they were also all almost killed by black people, almost all killed by black people.

Simone Collins: Well, same with also non-trans black people, so,

Malcolm Collins: right, right. But the black community is more, I guess you’d call, say, transphobic and homophobic than me.

White community, even though that’s, you know, goes against Progressive.

Simone Collins: Are we just saying what, what are these percentages that you’re looking at? Again, I think they’re percentages, right? I’m gonna try to find this out.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Okay. So rate per 1000 for black trans people. It’s 6.8 is the rate per a hundred thousand,

Simone Collins: Violent deaths, right?

Malcolm Collins: Violent deaths, yes. If I go to, and to get an idea of how different the black versus non-black rate is, [00:07:00] if I go to the non-black trans rate, and this is a for TE. Mm-hmm. 0.38. Remember it was 6.8 for blacks.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And so this for blacks means it’s about twice normal. This for non-black trans means the normal rate is 10.5 x higher.

Simone Collins: So what did you say it was for? It was six per thousand.

Malcolm Collins: 6.8

Simone Collins: per. 6.8 per a hundred thousand for, for black trans people. Yeah. It’s, it’s 29 per a hundred thousand for black Americans.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, so they’re also protected.

Simone Collins: Yeah, that’s my point. Is that like. No, you just see more black trans people getting hurt because more black people die of violent deaths in America too.

Like they’re the vast, like, yeah, well

Malcolm Collins: those numbers are still bigger, but that, that also, oh, Simone, you and, and stats. You get this. You’re figuring out mysteries here.

Simone Collins: Sold.

Malcolm Collins: Now if we go to what the trans overall [00:08:00] difference is in this A four T is 0.94, which means that it, you’d have to multiply that by 4.3 X to get the general violent death rate.

Mm-hmm. If you go to the HRC numbers they had 27 trans deaths overall. Again, this is exactly the same. You’d have to multiply that by 4.3 x to get the general rate. Mm-hmm. If we go to the TGEU study, 31 you’d have to multiply that by 3.7 x to get the general population. So what I’m noting here is it’s not like one study or something like that.

It’s every single group that reports this is massively under reporting it. Or, or not under. So

Simone Collins: no, they’re reporting numbers that are lower than that Of the

Malcolm Collins: general lower than what you’d expect. Yeah. So first of all, but before I go further, what are, what are your hypotheses. Mmm.

Simone Collins: Okay. So my, my primary, what I’m gonna go on is most trans people are at least that are of [00:09:00] age, like younger. There’s more female to male, but of age. It’s more male to female, and they are lowering their testosterone and increasing their estrogen. I think testosterone plays a major role in violence and crime, and when you effectively neuter someone in that way, you’re going to reduce their rate of violence in general.

On average, you’re gonna have outliers with all these shooters and stuff, but I think even when you take a female to male trans person, I think that their testosterone levels in general aren’t going to be as high. Or let’s say even if they tried to commit violent crime, they still have like a. Na female body.

So they’re coming from a, a, a weaker blank as it were. So they’re less likely to maybe be successful in their attempts at violent crime or they’re less likely to try ‘cause they know they’re not gonna do anything really effectively. So just like you don’t really see any female to male trans people and sports, you know, trouncing anyone.

Yeah. You know, so [00:10:00] I think that’s the issue is that this is about. A population of people that broadly has lower testosterone levels and or weaker blanks. That is to say like female natal bodies and therefore they’re less likely, likely to be involved in the stuff that gets you killed in violent ways.

Malcolm Collins: Interesting hypothesis,

Simone Collins: but we also

Malcolm Collins: know that they have less self-control because they commit mass murder at higher rates.

Simone Collins: So yeah, I think those are outliers. And I don’t think that they are representative of the averages of the population.

Malcolm Collins: Well, if you remember our study on transsexual fantasies being much more violent than the general population, sexual fantasies where we went deeper into that, so maybe.

I, I like this hypothesis. I don’t hate this hypothesis.

Simone Collins: I don’t think that fantasies necessarily correlate with action. In fact, I, and we have argued. In our erotic material related arguments that actually being able to indulge in and understand and [00:11:00] contextualize fantasies as that is going to reduce your rate of actually acting on them.

In fact, you have the most repressed sexual fantasies, like, conservative Muslim groups have the highest rate of like, suicide bombers and stuff, and terrorists. So

Malcolm Collins: yeah, this is, this is a, a very well studied thing across like, most ways that you can cut this. And it is something that a lot of conservatives intuitively get wrong.

When a group has access to pornographic material on a particular subject, they are less likely to do the thing tied to that. So, obviously the famous study from the Czech Republic when they legalize porn, sA rates went down by 50% of chil. This was for child sa. If you’re talking about adult grape it went down by something like 30% I think, or 35%.

And there was also a huge, this happens every time we see this. When they did it in Hong Kong, when they did it, I think in the Netherlands or somewhere they did it, it went down a bunch. Was internet penetration. You typically see grape rates go down at, around the same rate as internet penetration is hitting a region.

If you’re even looking in prison, the average sexual predator in prison. [00:12:00] Started consuming pornography later than the average person within that society. I, I think also was in prison. So, it’s just the, the more access you have, the less likely you are to commit a particular act. And I, I know this goes against conservative intuitions, but it’s important to be able to admit when, you know, your, your intuitions are, which you would like to be true about something are just not.

And this is one of those instances I, I like if we’re asking progressives to do that, we need to do the same. Okay. But to continue here the the HRC if you’re like, okay, what did they consider trans in this? Because maybe they had like a really strict definition of trans, right. That was my first thought.

And it’s like, a, a note, they’re doing this under their epidemic of violence report. This is an epidemic of violence. So

Simone Collins: are they leaving out the gen pop numbers? Is that how they’re able to make these claims that they’re

Malcolm Collins: subject violence? No, they just note all of the people who died. They don’t compare it to the gen pop because in their mind no trans people should ever be dying of violence.

And [00:13:00] that’s really interesting to me as well, right? Like imagine the arrogance you have to have to not attempt to con convert your numbers to gen pop numbers, but to assume that your population is so. Ultra special and nice that it should have zero violent deaths at all when most of the trans violent deaths are tied to stuff like drug deals gone wrong and stuff like that.

You know, the same type of thing where normal people get killed, but nope, if you’re trans, special snowflakes, nothing bad can ever happen to them. But it’s also interesting to me that they don’t even think to do this calculation themselves before they put out numbers that are gonna make them look really bad.

Simone Collins: Well, they. May very well do those numbers and just realize that they’re not flattering. I mean, if you’re trying to post the flattering report, you leave out the unflattering numbers. They’d be insane to do that. You understand that?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: They probably know they’re just not idiots. And the ones that were honest, well, those nonprofits didn’t get more funding, did they?

Malcolm?

Malcolm Collins: So, yeah. So what they included in this list is. Transgender and gender [00:14:00] expansive people. So anything remotely non-binary was considered

Simone Collins: and gender expansive.

Malcolm Collins: Two-spirit, gender, non-conforming gender list.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: If they, if they knew about us, we’d be on the list because as we both said, we’re both a gender.

Like, I don’t care because

Simone Collins: we both. Sexually identify as attack helicopters? I mean, Octavian definitely

Malcolm Collins: would option, no, I’m just talking about like realistically biologically, if I try to like meditate on the subject, do I really care if I come off as a man to people? If I was born tomorrow as a woman, I’d just make it work.

I’d just be like, okay, I’ll make this work.

Simone Collins: You’d probably be stoked. ‘cause there’s so many cheat codes as a woman.

You’d wear it better than me. I think.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, there’s, you know, there’s positive. I, I, I, I, I suppose, even if, just for novelty, I’d be like. Okay, now I get to experience both sides of the human conditions.

Simone Collins: I would be fued if I were a man though, I’d like, no. No one’s gonna be nice to me anymore. Everyone’s gonna put responsibility on me. I can’t play dumb [00:15:00] anymore. Becoming

Malcolm Collins: a woman when you’re post wall is not exactly fun, right? Like,

Simone Collins: oh no. I’m really excited for my old lady phase. Super excited people. Love a spicy old lady.

You know,

Malcolm Collins: I, I’ve also pointed out this in other episodes we’ve done on trans people, but I think that it’s something that is really under thought about when men decide to transition into women. Women is they don’t understand how short a period they’re going to have before they hit the wall. As a woman, no.

Simone Collins: Yes, underrated.

Malcolm Collins: And so they, they transition into a woman and then like three years later they’re hitting the wall and they Yeah. Might not have even, and this is, this is when they’re finally passing, finally, you know? Mm-hmm. Like, consider like a di They

Simone Collins: get their voice, right? Yeah. Everything’s finally dialed in,

Malcolm Collins: finally get everything right.

And they might be if, if, if everything goes well for them, they pass, they look good, everything like that.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Then they get four years and they hit the wall.

Simone Collins: Right. Yeah. It doesn’t matter if you pass, you, you don’t wanna be a post wall woman.

Malcolm Collins: And this is where I think trans maxers [00:16:00] are being really stupid.

They are thinking about what it would be like to be a woman at their age, not what it’s gonna be like to be a woman in five to 10 years.

Simone Collins: So yeah, they’re thinking like cute anime cat girls. I mean, sure. And that, that is why, you know, wi women who are in their forties and fifties and, and even thirties getting.

Cosmetic procedures are also engaging in gender affirming care, but they’re all fighting and pursuing. They’re fighting for and pursuing things that they cannot have, that they cannot ultimately really pull off.

Malcolm Collins: So that is an interesting phenomenon that I don’t think it’s talked about enough. And I, I, I actually think it’s, it’s probably one of the big causes of the high unli rate was in the community.

Because, well, no, I mean, what a horrifying thing.

Simone Collins: What would be better to be a post wall woman or to be dead really?

Malcolm Collins: To have to have lived both stages of the wall as the gender you would rather not be. I got to live youth as a man and old age as a woman.

Simone Collins: God, yeah. That, that really is. Yeah. Playing the [00:17:00] age arbitrage game.

100% wrong.

Malcolm Collins: Anyway to continue here now is where I think is one of the biggest areas where their fudging of the numbers in their favor could be causing this illusion. So in the stats that I’m using here I’m using the approximately 1% trans, approximately 0.3% bond.

Non-binary numbers. But these organizations will often put out numbers of like five to 9%, two to 3%, et cetera, right? So I’m even using the numbers that I think look better for them. But if these numbers, if this 1% and this 0.3% number, it turns out are massively inflated that would create this phenomenon.

If it turns out that the number of trans individuals in the United States is actually only like trans and non-binary only, like 0.25% you could explain this entire phenomenon with that. And I could buy that being the case. Now let’s go with, could it be that they’re [00:18:00] using drugs at a way lower rate?

The answer here is unfortunately no. They use drugs at a much higher rate 4.3% in the trans community versus 1.2% in the general population. They also smoke at a higher rate, 16.6% versus 5.4%.

Simone Collins: They’re probably wealthier though. I think that being trans is a very first world problem, and if you have enough free time to care that much about.

Your sex slash gender, you’re probably pretty, you come from a wealthy family. Well, we’ll get to

Malcolm Collins: this. This is one of my hypotheses. Okay? If we talk about some other drugs you have a higher rates of use of cannabis, opioids, and cocaine. Specifically 24 to 31% in the past months versus five to 10%.

Oh,

Simone Collins: those are all bougie drugs, though.

Malcolm Collins: Right, but hold on, hold on, hold on. Oh, hold on. Okay, so you got a hypothesis here? Mm-hmm. Let’s try it. All right, because I, I ran the numbers on this.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: What is the trans poverty rate? All right. It’s 21% versus 10.6%,

Simone Collins: right, except [00:19:00]

Malcolm Collins: X, the poverty rate of the general population.

Simone Collins: You understand? Like I, how many rich kids I’ve known who. Technically you’re impoverished, but like mommy and daddy buy everything, but they’re still getting Snap benefits and they’re on Medicaid and stuff because they have no income. But like, mommy and Daddy’s still paying. Yeah. A lot of trans people

Malcolm Collins: I’ve met are like on what’s the, the, the thing here where they’re on like child support,

Simone Collins: Medicaid and

Malcolm Collins: no, no alimony.

They’re on like Divorce Rich or they’re, you know, mommy and daddy Rich are trust foundations that could be explained here. So, unemployment rate nine to 16% versus 4.4%. So two to four x higher than the general population. Medium weekly earnings it’s 700 to $900 which is lower than the gen pop, $1,204.

Simone Collins: I would also just like, I, I feel again, like wealthy people who are technically unemployed have way too much time on their hands. I mean, does Contra Points have a job? Does philosophy, I mean [00:20:00] philosophy tube, like works for, for Broadway plays like from now on and off. I assumed that they might figure, but that’s in between Patreon, Abigail Thorn.

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. They must, yeah. Okay. Maybe that doesn’t count, but like I feel like a lot of the figures that I know about maybe

Malcolm Collins: Job Simone. I mean, they only put out like one episode a

Simone Collins: year. Contra points, like basically never publishes anything, although she just ran something on saw she did, I

Malcolm Collins: might check it out.

She’s actually not a bad content

Simone Collins: creator. I like, I like her videos, but I, I don’t like saw, I don’t hope it doesn’t get too explicit, but I like all her, her, you know, gel lighting and everything, so costumes, makeup.

Malcolm Collins: No, I mean, I, I think that she has interesting ideas occasionally. I’m, I’m like not always, and I think that she’s very much blinded by her political ideology.

But I think that listen

Simone Collins: and, no, I mean, she’s not always toe the line and I really appreciate that.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, she’s, she’s capable of a coherent argument. She sounds like a real person, by the way, did you hear, I didn’t know about this. ‘cause we had the episode that [00:21:00] we did on Philosophy Tube that I do not think makes good arguments.

I think philosophy tube’s basically a tar. But that philosophy tube, before she transitioned. Dated Contra points at one point, and everybody points out that she clearly transitioned to, tried to look like contra points and made a channel like Contra Point and Contra Points even once made a tweet and then deleted it, saying like, oh, well you think you know what it’s like to have a creepy ex.

You’ve never had one who dressed up like you, changed their gender, changed their name and then created an entire career based on you.

Simone Collins: Awkward. Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: very awkward. And to just be so talentless in comparison. And again, this,

Simone Collins: well, but I mean, a philosophy Tube is a working actor. She, she’s currently in a play that is running in London, so I don’t know, you know, if it’s one of these like totally non-profitable operation.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Who knows that it’s a non, I mean, it it a trans main actor.

I, I, I don’t, [00:22:00]

Simone Collins: I don’t know if she’s the main actor. I just know that she’s,

Malcolm Collins: we

Simone Collins: had

Malcolm Collins: a, a friend who was trans and in Broadway, and when they detransition, not like for political reasons or anything like that, they just realized they had made a mistake and they were completely blacklisted from the industry just for det transitioning, which I think shows that the bigotry that you see within the trans movement, it’s like, you know, you cannot be a, what’s the word in Islam when somebody deconvert a

Simone Collins: I don’t know,

What’s the word,

Malcolm Collins: apostate.

Simone Collins: Oh,

Malcolm Collins: no, apostate.

Simone Collins: That’s, that’s not a, that’s an English word.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, so income they have median household income of 52,000, whereas the gen profit at 74 thousand 580. And other disparities, like 33% are on assistance and stuff like that. So. No, I, I, I don’t know, maybe you’re right. Maybe they all have secret wealth somewhere.

We didn’t look at their like, total net worth or do they have rich parents? And that does check like a vibe check for me on the trans people I’ve [00:23:00] known.

Here is what I think the real answer is.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: And it ties down to, remember we’ve done episodes on like, where is the actual book audience? Like why is, it’s not like not a lot of people are buying this stuff, it’s that almost nobody is buying this stuff. Yeah. There will be like. Well advertised Triple A games meant for awoke audience and like 500 to a thousand people will buy it.

Like it’s, it’s not that the audience is statistically lower than the audience who’s against them. It’s almost as if it doesn’t exist at all. And the hypothesis I had there was and we mentioned this in this episode, is that. And, and this I came to from watching a lot of woke people talking about the content that they consume, is that they actually predominantly consume content from their childhoods.

They a lot of cartoons, a lot of stuff that. 10, 20 years ago. And the reason seems to be is they are afraid even of content that is made for them of potentially encountering something that is [00:24:00] triggering or new. It’s just not worth it. Like the negatives of new content, new ideas, sticking yourself outside the box are so much more damaging than them, than the i’m.

Simone Collins: And that, and the new stuff sucks. They’re just living in the archive like we all are.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, I, I disagree with that. I watch, the funny thing is, is I watch a lot of transcoded shows. Like I, for example, am a big fan. I watched it all the way through. I think I, I might have even finished the reboot or I, at least I’ve watched a lot of it of Steven Universe.

Simone Collins: Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: right. Like Steven Universe is many people would say this is like woke propaganda at its most propaganda, you know? Yeah. A, a show trying to normalize multi gendered entities and lesbian relationships in aliens, right? Like mm-hmm. You know, people and, and, and wanna talk

Simone Collins: about feelings.

There’s a lot of that.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And I talk about, like, even shows that I are essentially about, turning red, which I I point out is about [00:25:00] selling your sexuality because the panda represents her sexuality very clearly. In that, in the show’s message is hide it from your parents. They won’t understand and make money selling it to other kids at school, selling pictures of it on your cell phone, right?

Like that’s actually what happens in that, right? Like it’s about but I’m like, but it. The show’s actually entertaining. Like I’m open to admit this. I thought the reboot of Sherah was pretty good. Like I’m consuming the content when it’s good. That is made for woke people.

Simone Collins: Yeah, you are.

Malcolm Collins: I am not like woke phobic.

Right. I. However, I will note something. Actually, this is important to note. I however, do not consume some woke content. Like I do not watch the new Star Wars or anything like that, even though I like Star Wars. I don’t watch the New Star Treks but. I tried to, I thought I would like it, right?

Like I started with whatever the reboot discovery was, and after a while I was like, oh, this sucks. And then they did the Picard one and I was like, I don’t wanna watch a [00:26:00] Star Trek about old people. But I love lower decks. I’ve seen all of lower decks like three times. It’s fantastic. And lower decks is woke, but it’s good woke, right?

You know? And then I see a show or, or the, the woke games by never, I never play the woke games. Right. And I have started to turn away from like, aaa, Hollywood woke stuff. And so the question is, I actually wanna ask this as like a wider meta of like asking myself why do I like reflectively turn away from some woke things and I don’t reflectively turn away from other woke things.

Um hmm. Thinking, thinking, what is it what is it about some woke things and not other woke things

Simone Collins: I can’t even identify because I, I couldn’t tolerate Steven Universe for example, and he liked it. So, I dunno.

Malcolm Collins: I think it’s, that and it, and it’s, it’s fewer and fewer woke things that I like. There’s been no woke thing in the past couple years that [00:27:00] I’ve liked, maybe the last five years that I’ve liked.

And so my answer here is I think they just got more and more creatively bankrupt as time went on and it became more and more about DEI in terms of the actual creative process. I think what we saw historically. Was actually decent creatives who were infected with woke ideas. I think what we see now is the industry has gone through a process of DEI based hiring so much that there is no longer anybody competent in the room.

And a lot of the people who’ve been woke for a long time have lost their talent over time. You can go to our like Stephen Colbert, right? Like he clearly lost his ability to be funny when he used to be hilarious. But a fun, fun news piece about this is a Penguin Random House subsidiary. Put out a thing about like who they want books from, and they explicitly said, we don’t want, we want books from non-white people. So like, if you’re, if you’re a white man especially you have a traditional European name, we don’t wanna hear from.

So, you know, you wonder how big this is. The penguin Miranda [00:28:00] House felt that it was okay to just publish that like on their site. Like we are racist and proud. That is our brand racism. Anyway, let’s go over, my potential answer here because I was, I was go getting to it. It might just be that they isolate themselves from other people way more.

If you’re talking about trans and gender non-conforming people, 63.9% are lonely. And they link this to things and, and, and 70% are diagnosed with anxiety and depression. So what it could be is they just do not leave their house as much. That could be it. That could be the whole explanation.

Simone Collins: That would help.

I mean, yeah, not a lot can happen

Malcolm Collins: of new stimuli. They’re afraid of potentially disconfirming stimuli, stimuli that challenge them. And if you are terrified of any sort of new environment you may just not go out and not interact [00:29:00] with people. That’s my guess. For a quick recap on the hugely overrepresented trans community within mass shootings, I think it’s worth touching on that.

‘cause the last time we did a video that was last year, there have been two more trans mass shooters since then. When we did that episode, a bunch of people were like, fake news. I wonder if they like see the new trans men shootings. And they were like, was was I wrong about this being fake news? Or did they just in one ear and out the other, right?

Like. Because I pointed out that on a per person shot basis, the recent Canadian trans mass shooter killed more people than the two Columbine shooters did. IE on a per that is wild. And that new story wasn’t even relevant for three days, whereas Columbine shocked the country for like five years.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: The amount that this can be memory holding, the amount to which everyone just normalized it. Even on the right now, it’s like, oh, another trans mass shooter. Of course, like when, whenever you [00:30:00] hear a mass shooter today, you’re almost like, were they trans this time?

Simone Collins: Well, I think so much has changed to, you can also look at this in the context of the attempted, we’ll say, is Islamic or Muslim terror attack in front of Mayor Manny’s mansion in New York City or to Pennsylvanian.

Brothers attempted to throw a nail bomb or multiple layer nail bombs.

Malcolm Collins: Oh my God. And CNN’s response to that. Did you see what I sent you?

Simone Collins: Yeah. It was basically the way the news

Malcolm Collins: right here

Simone Collins: is extremely,

Malcolm Collins: so c Nnn said in response to. Two Muslim teenagers attempted to male bomb a crowd, and when Mandani talked about it, he tweeted about it acting as if they had tried to mail bomb him instead of the people protesting him.

Right. But CNN. Said, and the, and the person, they got them on a hot mic in the car saying, others [00:31:00] like me will come. My community like Muslims specifically, they said, won’t let this stand. CNN then twisted this to say two Pennsylvania teenagers crossed into New York City Saturday morning for what could have been a normal day enjoying the city during abnormally warm weather, but in less than an hour their lives were drastically changed.

Change. Now. You’ve read this so far and you’ve been like, they must be talking about somebody who was hurt by the attack. Right?

Simone Collins: Right. Yeah. And then, and

Malcolm Collins: then it continues to say, as the pair would be arrested for throwing homemade bombs.

Simone Collins: Well, and what’s interesting as well is the sentiment, like the, we’ll say anti-Muslim sentiment in the, in the United States and especially New York has not seen any hit based on this.

I think if anything, there has been an increase in pro-US sentiment in response to this. REU on X was referring to it as a front lash as opposed to a backlash. Against Muslims due to this attempted terror [00:32:00] attack. And my theory as to what’s happening here, and maybe this is the same thing that’s happening with trans shooters, is basically anyone who acts against Western culture, capitalism, and or white people.

Is seen, heard the urban monoculture, which sees basically anyone that hates those things as being good is, is to your, to your favor. You know, that means that you, you are a good person. I, I think, I think similar patterns have been people have said similar patterns are observed with the October 7th attacks in Israel, that that only led to this search and surge in support for Hamas and for Palestine and not for Israel.

So basically, if you. If you hate Jews or white people or western culture or capitalism, you’re good. It doesn’t matter what you stand for. You’re the good guy. We like you more. Yeah. ‘cause we have to attack these things and take them down. And [00:33:00] so you, you can’t be wrong by being trans because that is anti these things.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: As the culture sees it.

Malcolm Collins: So to go into the names, because if somebody’s like, oh, you’re lying about the trans mass shooters, because look at this org that did X study ai like reflexively tries to take that position often. Unless you tell it, actually count the numbers it’ll, it will go and say, well, X group did a study to show that this isn’t true.

And it’s like, here’s just the numbers and you can verify each of these instances. Okay. Randy Stair Wes. Market supermarket, east Township three killed. This is the one who’s known as the Danny Phantom Shooter, who is often not included in these lists, and I don’t know why he was clearly trans. He want, he wanted to be a cartoon girl from Danny Phantom and thought he was gonna be reborn one if he killed a bunch of people.

Nangie Mosley. This was 2018 Rite Aid Distribution Center. Killed three, wounded three. Alec McKinney STEM School Highlands [00:34:00] Ranch. Killed one, but attempt to kill more. There were eight wounded. Anderson Lee Och. Our Aldrich this was the LGBT plus nightclub, Colorado shootings five killed, 19 wounded Andrew Hale covenant School, Nashville, Tennessee.

Six. Killed three children, three adults. Dylan Butler. Two killed one student, one principal, six wounded shooter died by Unli Guinness, Ivan Moreno Lakewood Church Houston. He ended up killing zero, but one child was critically wounded and the shooter was killed by police, but he was attempted mass shooting.

Ber day carrier. The five killed, five injured. It, it, this one was one where people are like, this individual wasn’t trans. This is one of the ones where people push back the most, but he has. Facebook photos of him wearing women’s clothing, jewelry, makeup, and fake breasts. And you can say, well, he’s just a crossdresser, but he would’ve been considered trans or gender what’s the [00:35:00] word?

Like ex ex. Expansive by these other studies. So why don’t we get to count him in our numbers, but they get to count them in their numbers when they dive. Explain that to me. That doesn’t sound fair at all. They clearly gender expansive. So then Natalie, Samantha Oppo, the Abundant Life. Christian School, Madison, Wisconsin.

Two killed teacher and student. Six wounded Robin West Men Catholic Church school Indianapolis. Two killed children, 30 wounded. Theresa Milo. This was VT Highland Shootout near Canada border to kill. This was one of the zans. Emma Banney this, I think with another one of the Zans. Sorry, Emma Burani. Oh, and the first one, sorry, I pronounced it wrong, was Theresa Young bl or Ophelia Bach Holt. And so this was a CA Trailer Park Shootout. Uh uh. Michael Z Zko. Another Zian. There was a Trans death cult. By the way, that’s a, a thing that we need to be aware of. Who were the Zans [00:36:00] really racking up the numbers here for their community.

Shooting two kill parents. And then Maya sec trans woman. They, they, they were not a shooter. And then since then we’ve had Robert Drogan this was the Rhode Island incident. And then Jesse Van Ler this was the British Columbia, Canada one. Okay. And, to, to go with the lower numbers here or the higher numbers.

So we can go with the, the lower number, which is 14 in the United States, or we can go with a higher number, which is 15 in the United States. If we go with the higher number, that means that trans people commit mass shootings at 23.8 x the rate. Of the average CIS individual it would mean that on the lower end it’s at, at least around 20 x the rate of, of, of cis, like it’s not even clo.

You’d have to like. Again, these numbers aren’t like a fudge here. Like you can fudge this number out or this number out fine. Say this person didn’t successfully kill enough people, or this person [00:37:00] wasn’t exactly trans right, like they were just gender expansive. Even if you take out half the people, you’re still looking at rates 10 x higher than the cis population.

Like it’s, it’s, it’s, even if then you say, well, okay, well then let’s cut them in half because of, I don’t know, reporting bias. Then it’s still five x eight, right? Like the, the

Simone Collins: regardless it’s egregious.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Regardless, it’s egregious. It’s not like an edge case sort of a thing here. And we have episodes on why this is, if you wanna look but this.

How dare you say X or Y don’t you know that trans people are the target of violence every day and it’s like, well, mostly of black people. Okay. As we’ve seen from the trans black statistics and way less so than other groups, and yet they are way more likely to be the perpetrator of violence than other groups.

So like it is. It, it reminds me of the have sympathy for the Muslim [00:38:00] terrorist extremists. Right? Like, and it’s like, I, I’m sorry, I don’t Right. Like, they, they are the person who is hurting other people. Right? Like they are the social, what, what, what’s the word here? Like, like, they’re not socially harmonious or whatever way you wanna put it.

Right. And these are things that could be worked on, but to work on them, we have to admit them first. And we need to investigate them. And yet this is something that it, it doesn’t fit the narrative that these groups want to be true about themselves. So it, it just doesn’t get investigated. It doesn’t get looked into.

And we collectively as a society, just don’t talk about it. I mean, even conservative influencers don’t talk about this very much. Any final thoughts, Simone? Any hypothesis you have above mine?

Simone Collins: I still hold that. I think estrogen can play a role. Reducing testosterone can play a role. In the past, the United States Justice system used [00:39:00] versions of this kind of chemical castration.

Against people as a punishment, but also in an attempt to like reduce their rate of essay. Yeah. Yeah. Is bad. Yeah. You know, what you

Malcolm Collins: gave to SAS and we’re giving it to children now.

Simone Collins: Well, and, and to adult men. And I mean, I think it’s understood what the effects of these things can be. So I think that that also is a role, but I do think that broadly speaking, yeah.

The person who doesn’t go outside is not going to experience the same risks as a person who does go outside. So, Ooh,

Malcolm Collins: I have a hypothesis.

Simone Collins: What?

Malcolm Collins: Okay.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: This one is gonna be weird and maybe more Malcolm focused.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: I think there is something, as a man that is viscerally satisfying about. Getting into a fight. It is, it gets your adrenaline flowing. It’s, [00:40:00] I used to get in fights all the time. I was a very I remember with Steven Mul when he’s like, I, I never got in a fight.

Groff like, you’ve never got in a fight growing up. Like, what’s wrong? You’re like a fight virgin. Like said, we, I, I know it’s socially whatever, but I think boys are supposed to fight. Right. You know? Our kids fight all the time. And right now it’s play fighting, but I expect

Simone Collins: it, oh my God, I made the huge mistake this morning of getting onto the floor to dress them.

Huge mistake.

Malcolm Collins: They all

Simone Collins: attack you. That’s when that’s when they attack. Yeah. I mean I was also like play fighting with them. ‘Cause that’s one of the easier ways to get them dressed. Right. You just like grab one of them by the feet and start pulling their clothes up. They’re getting

Malcolm Collins: strong now, right?

Simone Collins: They are. Oh my gosh. I mean, and Andy too, she was going in,

Malcolm Collins: she sees what everyone else is doing. She knows what’s up. We’re taking her down.

Simone Collins: She, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: See again, I don’t know if this is a cultural or me thing. But it’s, it’s sad when I fight people I like to fight people. It’s funny, I, I don’t, I don’t swing both ways when it comes to [00:41:00] like sex arousal or whatever.

But if I’m fighting a man, I want it to be a strong, tough looking like regular looking guy, right? Like, I don’t want to fight a weak looking man that wouldn’t be

Simone Collins: satisfy. Oh, and you, I were talking about that, that pattern with our kids too, that they only appear to have interest in attacking. The most strong person.

It’s like a challenge. Like you wouldn’t wanna play the like. We were at that Walmart yesterday looking at various levels of, of Sour patch Kids’ strongest, was that what it was? It’s like a

Malcolm Collins: game thing. And they found out that they could sell it by selling it at levels of sour, but people only bought the highest level of sour.

Simone Collins: Right. And like, our kids only wanna fight the highest level of threat the strongest looking person. And you would only wanna fight a strong looking person. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I would find it viscerally disgusting to fight a trans person.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: It, it would not be. A satisfying experience. And maybe, I know this is something people don’t talk about, like how great it feels to, to [00:42:00] really let someone have it, you know?

But, and I, and I, I, but other guys must feel this way. I mean, people recreationally, box people recreationally. Do MMA, would you. Get the same joy out of boxing a trans person, like, I don’t think you are. I think you’d feel like, and I’d be scared of like knocking out their cosmetics and stuff.

Simone Collins: I know all that money.

Oh gosh.

Malcolm Collins: Not just all the money, but I don’t want somebody’s nose to come off when I hit them like,

Simone Collins: oh God,

Malcolm Collins: that’s, that’s not,

Simone Collins: that’s not how rhinoplasty works.

Malcolm Collins: I don’t, I don’t know how rhinoplasty works, but I get

Simone Collins: you, you, you, you actually break someone’s nose. To reshape it. I

Malcolm Collins: don’t, I don’t want any of the, I don’t, I don’t, I’ve seen Michael J his nose is gonna fall off.

He’s gonna look like a skull. Well, I’m gonna be I, I do not know what they’ve had done, but I’d be afraid. Right. I, I’d be like, well I can’t push them here ‘cause these are fake and I don’t wanna knock them out. You know? I’d be so I could, I could see that leading to lower rates of violence.

Simone Collins: Hmm. It’s people being afraid [00:43:00] to break something. People

Malcolm Collins: in the comments can be like, Malcolm, that’s not normal. But I, I suspect it is normal. I suspect when a guy gets in a fight, he does, he, he wants to get in a fight with like a physiologically normal looking guy.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I mean, that checks out

Malcolm Collins: not like a disease to looking guy.

Simone Collins: That too. Yeah. Yeah. Also, just I think that. The beyond that there’s just maybe kind of a level of subconscious fear of trans people. Like, I don’t want to touch that person.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, I definitely have that. Yeah.

Simone Collins: So it’s not even that like I would feel concerned in a fight with them. It’s more like. Don’t make me touch it.

Malcolm Collins: And when she says subconscious fear, I need to, I’m, I’m not talking like phobia in the traditional sense. I’m talking like, like

Simone Collins: a sort of like infection. Like, like, like a leper you wouldn’t wanna fight.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. When I see like a leper or like the joke of the guy from scary movie who has like the little weird deformed hand and he.

[00:44:00] Puts it out and he’s like, grab my hand. And they’re like, I don’t wanna shut.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Speaker: , take my hand. Ah, come on. You’re gonna fall. Unless you take my hand. No, give me your other hand. Oh, my other hand isn’t strong enough. You take my little hand. No, get it away from me.

Malcolm Collins: You don’t feel that way about the deformed person or the leper because you hate lepers or you have some sort of bigotry against lepers.

Simone Collins: Yeah. There’s just like this inherent s squi.

Malcolm Collins: Well, because it’s the same thing that your body is giving you, being like, this person appears phenotypically, abnormal, they might have a contagious disease.

Like that’s what I assume is, is causing this reaction in people.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And you don’t wanna get in a fight with somebody who might have a disease in a historic context either.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. I think that that has more to do with it. But yeah, that could also be a factor. People are [00:45:00] too afraid to meet them up

Malcolm Collins: anyway.

Love you to death, Simone. Have a spectacular day.

Simone Collins: I love you too. Gorgeous. They wanna film the hysteroscopy, so I’m trying to get that booked, but I can’t get it booked without a consultation and I can’t book a consultation without calling their phone number, even though their phone number tells me to use their online messaging system. But when I use their online messaging system, they tell me to call their phone number, and then when I call their phone number, it takes 20 minutes.

Ironically, that has been the more ing like frustrating thing to navigate today in contrast to the Peruvian banking system, which was surprisingly user friendly today.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I, I find a lot of in Peru, they have things, some things that are surprisingly streamlined.

Simone Collins: Yeah. It’s weird. Some things are like amazing and better, way better than the US and than other things are [00:46:00] like, wait, you are going to make me.

Go to this place in person and not only sign the contract in person, but put my inked thumbprint on every single page of the like a hundred page contract. What is happening here? And what’s crazy is, as I remember this, there was this one time when we were trying to respond to this government RFP, essentially, and I was able to see the skill with which government bureaucrats.

Were able to do thumbprint contract signatures because they’d just done it with thousands of pages and it was like watching a blur with like the stamp stamp and like the page flipping and the, the thumb printing. And I was just like,

Malcolm Collins: well, I, I’m gonna actually argue that I think the thumb printing thing is a good idea.

I think it’s, it’s better than signatures. ‘cause I think signatures they’re just way too easy to fake. And a thumbprint, it’s incredibly difficult to fake. And, honestly, I don’t even know why we trust signatures at [00:47:00] all. It’s, it’s, it’s

Simone Collins: shouldn’t. We shouldn’t

Malcolm Collins: Oh, weirdly,

Simone Collins: everything that you have signed in like the past three years has been Oh yeah.

Malcolm Collins: You,

Simone Collins: me, signing it on my computer where I have a saved picture of your signature on my MacBook, and this is, you know, like, you know, contracts worth, you know. Possibly millions of dollars. You know, secure financial agreements, government things. You

Malcolm Collins: are a lovely person, Simone. I cannot by the way, fun things I learned today that I think you and the audience will enjoy.

One is, is that a Chinese team actually found out what causes hallucinations in ai and how to potentially reduce it significantly. So, it turns out that if you’re looking at like the individual nodes, you know, each layer of an ai, it’s like layers of a neural net. Mm-hmm. It turns out that it is an incredibly small amount of the nodes that generate all of the hallucinations, [00:48:00] or almost all of them, really.

So it is something like I think like a fraction of a percent I think it’s 0.1% of the nodes lead to it. Or 0.01%. The problem is, is that if you downregulate all of those nodes, ai, stop producing human sounding responses so it, we haven’t totally figured this out yet. You can downregulate them a bit and you, you know, you’re dealing with the trade off of less hall hallucination,

Simone Collins: so to hallucinate is to be human.

Malcolm Collins: Yes, potentially. So that was a fun one that, that, that we have now learned. So

Simone Collins: they didn’t find what causes it, they found. That certain types of nodes cause it, but they didn’t cause

Malcolm Collins: it. Very few nodes lead to almost all of them. And that if you make these nodes much. More likely to trigger. What that ends up doing, which is really cool, is that ends up making the ais much more user pleasing.

They will be much more interested in, like, if you say, oh, did you get that wrong? After they got something [00:49:00] right, they’ll be much more likely to say, oh yeah, I did get that wrong. Or if you say something like, I’d really like to know how to make like a dangerous weapon they’ll be much more likely to do that for you.

So, well,

Simone Collins: and that’s kind of like a human who’s being hypnotized, being like, why? Yes. I was. Tortured by a satanic cult in my childhood.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, that is interesting. Are they, the hypnosis is a hypnotist when they’re looking for people on the stage. Are they looking for people with extra of this type of node in their brain?

Simone Collins: Oh, well, no. 100% they’re, I mean, like it is known that they target agreeable. Oh,

Malcolm Collins: there might be something to cook with here. Simone, I think you, you might have found something here.

Simone Collins: Well, the first thing that I thought about when you said this Chinese team has figured out what makes LLM hallucinate was like, okay, great.

You’re gonna find out what makes humans hallucinate by determining this.

Malcolm Collins: You’re, you’re clever because for people who don’t know hallucination sorry. Hypnotism is a very easy way to implant memories in people. They’re the huge problem of this when hypnotist goes to somebody to find [00:50:00] buried memories.

What is normally actually happening is the person is making up new memories but then believes that they’re buried memories.

Simone Collins: And maybe we should do an episode on this too though, because apparently there are certain types of people who are more likely to be subject to hypnotism, and there’s even this.

I don’t know what fidelity it has, but apparently there’s this like I trick test where like, I can’t remember exactly how it works, but it’s something to do with your eyes and if you pass or fail this test, you’re way more likely to be a good candidate for hypnotism or like to be vulnerable to it.

And so maybe that also has to do with the way that your brain responds or how active a certain like that might show the threshold at which your brain does certain things. And so I do, I do wonder if there’s a series of patterns here that we could connect together to create a theory as to what makes hallucination in human and LLM alike could be

Malcolm Collins: fun.

Okay. [00:51:00] Final piece of information today that I thought was fun is the new Ayatollah of Korean. You know, the guy’s son, he released his first statement today.

Simone Collins: Oh, I thought he was dead. ‘cause he was MII And like,

Malcolm Collins: well, hold on. Hold on. And it was written.

Simone Collins: Oh wow.

Malcolm Collins: So I mean, a lot of people are like, what?

Like, did they they would, the, the,

Simone Collins: yeah. Even if his leg was blown off if I were him and my leg were blown off. And my family were, was killed. I would show myself in the hospital room bloodied and bruised. It would get me points.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah.

Simone Collins: And they’d be like, wow, look at this. They’re, you know, doing this to a, this, this poor man whose family has been destroyed by these terrible infidels, blah, blah, blah.

I mean, like.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, the other ayatollah would make video messages all the time. You know, you can make video messages and still say fairly hidden, right? Like, so why isn’t he making video messages? And the I think the unfavorable answer is, is that. [00:52:00] A lot of people have said that he’s in a coma. If he’s in a coma, it means he was elected to this position while in a coma which means they wanted just like a figurehead who wasn’t gonna push them around.

Simone Collins: Honestly. Wasn’t that basically just the Biden presidency at the end,

Malcolm Collins: right?

Simone Collins: Everyone’s favorite leader, basically in a coma.

Malcolm Collins: They love doing this. But yeah, so that could be what’s happening. I think the most charitable answer I can come to is that he was injured in some way that like looks really bad on film.

And they are afraid that Oh, like,

Simone Collins: makes him look weak on film.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: Not just hurt, but weak.

Malcolm Collins: Maybe he’s on like a ventilator or something, or he’s covered in like, things going into his face and so they can’t do just a video of him talking. That what’s

Simone Collins: also odd though is that Iran has been. Very trigger happy with AI videos.

You can just put a filter that makes him look normal.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Right. So that could be one thing. The other thing could be that he [00:53:00] is actually that terrified of Israel. Finding out how to back trace him from, that’s

Simone Collins: more plausible given how AI happy they are with videos. ‘cause they can just fake something.

Well, unless people would be like, well, that was obviously fake you. Yeah. I don’t know.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And then causes him more problems.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: All right. But interesting. I mean, if he is dead or almost dead, I mean, the trick is you can’t kill a dead man. As soon as they said that, everyone’s like, oh, they’re just gonna kill whoever’s next.

So they elected a dead man.

Simone Collins: Good move.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, by the way, I didn’t talk about this on our last episode on Move that I would take, I was, the Trump administration right now is, and I know that a lot of people are gonna freak out because it would be a boots on the ground move, but there is one.

Port space where I think it’s 75% of Iranian oil is shipped from, because it’s the only in the Black Sea, deep enough space that they can fill stuff.

And it’s this small island. And we have always been against bombing it because, the, the, if, if, if you bombed it, it would be hugely economically relevant to like the world. And [00:54:00] Israel wants to bomb it right now because it would destroy Iran for a long time. But I think, and Trump apparently has even mused this, what we should attempt to do is just take it.

Occupy it, make it a US occupied space. It’d be like, look, I ran you play nice and we’ll let you sell oil.

Simone Collins: That would also explain why Trump is saying he’s not ruling out boots on the ground, even though that’s really unpopular for people to hear. ‘cause that would be so strategically powerful.

Malcolm Collins: It was just one little island and you take it and now all of a sudden you have basically a sandbar.

Yeah, you, you, you force Iran to not mess around with the strain of her her moose, which again is just protecting Chinese interests anyway, which. Whatever. I dunno if you’ve heard, but the dollar is go shooting up and the euro is crashing. Right now gold is crashing too.

Simone Collins: Oh really? Yeah. Why gold?

Malcolm Collins: I think a lot of people were betting against the dollar and when push came to shove, everybody went back to the dollar and everyone who had thought there was gonna be some sort of other major asset got burned. Anyway, I’ll jump into [00:55:00] this.

Speaker 4: So I heard banging. Why did I hear banging? Because I got Ed. Stop. This is Indy’s bed. Indy is supposed to sleep here. Why are you jumping kind? I kind of was my head on the door. Why? ‘cause I’m so fun Do attack you. He run to attack me. Do not attack you.

No. Do not attack me. Line. Why do you wanna blind the viewers? I[00:56:00]

Speaker 3: won’t get away.

Speaker 5: Dam it. Dam it, dam it. I’ll escape.

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