Progressive Stack and Hidden Hierarchies

In this episode of Based Camp, Malcolm and Simone Collins dissect the viral chaos from the 2026 NDP Leadership Convention in Canada, where “equity cards” turned policy debates into a full-blown oppression Olympics. What started as yellow cards for “gender equity” (letting anyone not identifying as a cis man jump the speaking queue) quickly spiraled as delegates printed their own colored cards for race, indigeneity, disability, and more—leading to endless bickering over who was the most oppressed and deserved to speak first.

We laugh at the absurdity (and yes, they still elected a white guy), but we go deeper: How do these systems develop? Why do progressive coalitions inevitably fracture over hidden hierarchies of oppression? And most importantly—how can this self-sabotaging dynamic be strategically triggered to expose the contradictions in identity politics?

From the “progressive stack” to real-world examples like Occupy Wall Street and internal leftist schisms (Palestine vs. Black activists, anyone?), we explore how allowing even one group special privileges creates a cascade that destroys institutions from within. A masterclass in why equity isn’t equality—and why this parasitoid-like behavior accelerates the collapse of woke-infected organizations.

If you’ve ever wondered how to make the left eat itself without direct confrontation, this one’s for you. Grab your popcorn (and maybe some colored cardstock).

Episode Transcript

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] I think too often we see something like this and we laugh about it, and what we don’t see is.

Oh, oh. That’s a trap that we can lay out in the future. You say, well, as a cis man, I believe that trans women. Should always be able to speak first due to their oppression was in our society.

Simone Collins: You just gotta kick it off. Yeah. You know, you just, you drop in. Yep. Yep. Mm-hmm. And you walk

Malcolm Collins: out,

and then, but as a white man. You know, you can’t understand what it feels like to be black and to see a trans woman speak before me and then I say, whoa, you are right.

We need to create a table with a hierarchy of oppressed categories. Mm-hmm.

And of course, I will recuse myself because. I have no role in this

Simone Collins: conversation. No. Yeah, no.

Would you like to know more?

Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you [00:01:00] today. Today we are going to be diving deep into, we have seen it on other rightwing YouTubers, commentators, podcasters. There was a sort of viral conference or a series of events at a conference where points of privilege cards were assigned at the NDP.

Conference, which is the Canadian political Party, which is in the process of falling apart right now. It helps very little power at this point in fighting where one speaker, and I won’t subject you to too many clips of actually what’s happening at the conference because either you have already seen them or they are just so cringe.

They’re a little painful to watch, I’m gonna be honest.

Speaker 2: Hi, Akua friend, prong pronouns.

She her Whippy Ontario. I would like to echo the sentiments of my friend Robert here yesterday, this card. Was used in an inappropriate matter.

And while I understand in Ontario, we know this is [00:02:00] equity, even if that this was also used inappropriate in terms of gender. I want everyone to be mindful that these cards for individuals like myself who identify as a black woman have no value outside of this space. Hey, look at that. Look at that. No s**t.

Many of us are living in most the most oppressive conservative governments across this country. I’m from Ontario. A lot of you are dealing with this in places like Alberta as well as Saskatchewan. To abuse. The privilege of this card means that we don’t allow individuals like myself with intersections that have been used for unpaid labor.

To build this party, that means that they go unnoticed and that they are disrespected. I want people to be mindful of what this card means as we continue convention. It’s not enough to say that we believe in gender equity, and it’s not enough to say that we are intersectional and value [00:03:00] social justice if we do not model that behavior inside and outside of this space.

Thank you.

Malcolm Collins: But putting up these, these various colored cards that represent. Specific social grievances whether it’s, you know, being black or trans or trans and black or you know, native or et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And basically getting upset that people with other cards are getting to speak before them or their card isn’t being given enough import.

Speaker 5: There is a point. Let’s hear the point on microphone one. I am sorry. Just real quick point of personal privilege. I understand there’s very little time and, uh, for, for delegates to speak, but early on the mic, I, it’s hard as a racialized and transgender delegate to sometimes use this card and, and speak up, speak to somebody in front of me in line and ask, Hey, [00:04:00] this pertains to multiple intersecting parts of my lived experience.

Speaker 4: I’d like to speak. I was rejected, um, when I talked and it, it’s frustrating when. These are my rights being directly under attack right now in Alberta, and that a, a cisgender woman had spoken, uh, over me, and I understand her rights are important too. This pertains to her too, but I, I don’t know. I, I, I hope that in the future, the, the, the federal MDP will also have a broader interpretation of the, the equity cards for speakers.

That’s all. Thank you. I will invite delegates to assist me in better using the card, by forming a straight. Straight line behind the microphone, um, with a prominently displayed equity card. If I see speakers ahead of you who are not holding a card prominently, it would be wrong of me to guess about their gender identity, and I will come to you.

Speaker 5: This applies so far according to your rules for gender identities other than a dude,

Malcolm Collins: [00:05:00] And so I saw this. And a bunch of people were making fun of it on the surface level, and I was like, well, okay. I agree that it’s funny, but. What’s actually going on here? Like, how is this system developed? How is it actually supposed to work? What was the intended hierarchy of the cards? Who decided this hierarchy?

Did any of them storm out of the room yelling at people? You know, like.

Simone Collins: And I would say it’s, it wasn’t just the cards and the points of privilege. There was also an issue with, they, they, they wanted to give plenty of airtime or at least a pathway for people to express grievances or request for adjustments based on their disabilities.

For example, people being like, I have a sensory issue or the, the translation device doesn’t work very well for me. And so because they decided to, I guess, formalize a means of complaining that into public space, you know, and allowing for like their disabilities to be heard they, they kind of demonstrated why.

Maybe it’s better to not care

Malcolm Collins: because [00:06:00] to not allow these people anywhere near positions of power.

Simone Collins: Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: they did.

Simone Collins: Because you can’t get anything done if you have to hear every single stupid complaint. If you have to accommodate everyone’s sensitivities, nothing gets done

Malcolm Collins: hilariously. By the way, this was about electing somebody and they ended up electing a white guy at the end.

Simone Collins: They did not. No. Are you serious?

Malcolm Collins: They did. They did? Yeah. Oh. Elected a white guy over 50% of the vote too. 53%.

Simone Collins: Point of privilege.

Malcolm Collins: Point of privilege. Right. So, but I also then wanted to go into, so we’re gonna go over it for this event. Then what we’re gonna do is look at the recent history of this stuff like.

Have other events done stuff like this? Have any of them done it worse? Have any of them done it better? Did any of them have clearer delineations between the various discriminated groups for which ones are at the top and which ones are at the bottom?

Simone Collins: So dystopian, like, I’m so glad I’m a delta. I’m so glad I’m an alpha.

Like I go to my little place [00:07:00] and I have my square piece of paper that indicates my status. And like, is this not some kind of sci-fi dystopia?

Malcolm Collins: What, what was e even worse about it is the vast majority of the time it just seemed like people excited to show off whatever their quote unquote point of privilege was and not, and then make a complaint like, this device isn’t perfect for my sensory issues.

Instead of actually say something that contributed to whatever was going on at the event, right? Like it sounds. Terrifyingly bad to be around. But okay, so what happened? I’m gonna start with the big strokes for people who just want to, ‘cause anyway, if you watch your videos and you’re like, your videos are, are too long, right?

Our videos are structured so that you can get most of the takeaway of the video in the first 10 to 15 minutes. And then after that we’re just sort of exploring the topic deeper, riffing, talking about family stuff. But I, I wanna try to get the core ideas out there at the beginning to not waste your time so that you can [00:08:00] easily hop off if you want to.

But what happened was, is going into this conference, it had been established that there would be a points of privilege card, but only for women. Okay. This was only supposed to be a system for women. It was yellow cards that were officially there for women. And the way it worked is it wasn’t like women or people who presented enough, like women were given a card as they walked in or something like that.

There were just piles of cards that any woman could take whenever she felt like taking one. And pick up and use. To move ahead in the line for speaker positions or to draw particular attention to themselves during a conversation. Okay. Now what happened was, is other people at the event saw women using these and they thought it looked really cool.

Right? Like the [00:09:00] moment they’re like, oh, that’s so neat. So you can just take one of these cards and then complain about how you’re discriminated against. You could just skip lines. Well, why doesn’t my group get to skip lines? Right? And so the other cards that you saw were actually made up by other people at the event.

At the event, and they began to make their own card. Wait,

Simone Collins: did, did they like go run to some kind of printer paper store and purchase colored stock paper and just that

Malcolm Collins: is exactly what they did. You.

Simone Collins: No, that cannot. Oh my

Malcolm Collins: God. And then they started putting out their special stock paper.

Simone Collins: Can you imagine the confusion of like the Kinkos or the, the Office Depot or whatever it was like apparently right next to the convention center, all these weirdly dressed people start showing up and buying bright colored paper with great excitement and, and what?

Malcolm Collins: I get to go be more impressed. So

Simone Collins: why are people suddenly buying all of our colored paper?

Malcolm Collins: And then what made it [00:10:00] even worse is at the Ontario voting thing, which was like a sub voting thing of this, and we don’t have a lot of information on what of, what went on in the Ontario one. Okay? There had been points of privilege cards for ethnicities, LGBT, you know, indigenous, et cetera.

So. They as soon as they saw other people doing this, they’re like, oh, this is just like what we did, like back at our convention, right? So they immediately were like, oh, let’s, let’s get into this. Like, let’s make it happen. Let’s force this to happen. And of course, you know, it graded. On every, well now trans man, when they saw a woman holding up one of these cards, it graded on black people that they couldn’t also have a black card.

You know, it graded on. So used to everything being about whatever their particular disability or privilege is at the moment. They saw, and this is important for us to note and remember on the right, because on the right, I think too often we see something like this and we laugh about it, and what we don’t see is.

[00:11:00] Oh, oh. That’s a trap that we can lay out in the future. All you need to do to create the cascade is to allow for one subgroup, and this is the key, and we’ll talk about how you make this work and how you don’t make this trap work. You’ve got to. Allow one subgroup to claim special privileges based on their subgroup status.

The moment you do that and then

Simone Collins: just everyone else sticks on them and they’re like, God,

Malcolm Collins: create a cascade that destroys any leftist event or any event overly infiltrated by leftists. So

Simone Collins: you know what, actually this happened, this happened with the election of, of, well, the failed botched election of Kamala Harris in 2024.

When. There was this schism between people deciding who takes precedent, Palestine supporters or supporters of Black Americans. And the Black American activists were really up in arms about people being [00:12:00] like, well, Palestinians matter more than Black American citizens. And Black American citizens are like, hold on.

Wait, what? No, that’s not.

Malcolm Collins: Well, we’ll actually that’s not get to this because when I tried to find are, are there any like times when they have established an official ranking of who is the most discriminated to the least discriminated?

Simone Collins: Oh, like a leaderboard. There needs to be a website for this. Like where you can see the rankings change.

Malcolm Collins: Well, no, no, no. This is, this is another key to, to getting progressives, is getting them to establish these, because typically what they do, so first I, I guess I’ll give away part of the, the, the reveal here. One of the ways that progressives ev ev avoid exactly this what happened at this event from happening.

And this happened at like the Wall Street protests or you occupy Wall Street, stuff like that, right? Is they did something called a a progressive pitch system or something like that. But basically what it means is, [00:13:00] they go over a list of speakers. So basically a list of speakers is created, and then one of the organizers, essentially using their own judgment, organizes them in priority based on their own perceived fuzzy hierarchy of oppression, right? So this way they can. Not have an explicit hierarchy of oppression, like a, a big game in progressive spaces is avoiding creating an explicit hierarchy of oppression.

Because as soon as you create the hierarchy of oppression groups that thought that they were on the top before, like what happened with the Palestinians versus the Blacks end up realizing that for most of the rest of the movement, they’re not actually on the top and they try to exit. So,

Simone Collins: oh, right. No, I think we’ve talked about this in other episodes, this idea that.

All non cis white groups in. The leftist sphere [00:14:00] actually aren’t really in favor of this whole progressive thing. They’re really minority interest groups who believe that they’re at the top of the hierarchy of privilege.

Malcolm Collins: Yes.

Simone Collins: So as soon as they have reason to believe that they actually aren’t given.

Precedent in, you know, like priority treatment in this world. Yes. That they’re not at the very top. Well then because they’re an ethnic or identity supremacist group, they will leave that collective and

Malcolm Collins: yes. Ah, yes. And this is, this is the key to winning as a conservative is you have to, you know, people have seen that we do this with like, our videos, like the viral, you know, Telemundo interview about like, or do gene make black people black you know, like, that, that you, you have to trick them into destroying themselves.

Do, do going after them. Is not the best strategy. Right. It makes it look like debate. Yeah.

Simone Collins: You use their momentum against you.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Where they take an insane perspective, [00:15:00] but one that is, you know, with enough SHIs to hide that it’s an insane perspective. Right. One of the keys is to

Simone Collins: SHIs Malcolm Shipple,

Malcolm Collins: what?

What do I call ‘em? S**t LITS or something.

Simone Collins: Shibolet.

Malcolm Collins: Whatever you wanna call it, sweetheart. I don’t speak Jew. I don’t speak your, your Jew. Your Jew tongue knows words that mine cannot pronounce. I’m an American.

Simone Collins: Not even gonna just carry on.

SHIs. Go on.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Okay. You’re so sweet. I really like you. Anyway, so, the, the trick here that this will reveal as we go through this is trick them into agreeing to create an official hierarchy of oppression.

Which can be done by giving a right to one group that other groups don’t have. And then you create a free for all where all the groups [00:16:00] wanna have this, right? And what the. What the organization ended up doing, like at the end of the day is every one of the points of oppression that you could have mattered equally.

Right. And you couldn’t like double up points of oppression to get transfection identities. Right. Because then people would just carry around like five. I mean, I’m sure many did. Right. But they, they all can bump you up one space in the talking order. Right.

Simone Collins: Okay. So, so people thought that maybe they could layer them, but you can’t layer them.

Malcolm Collins: As far as I understand, no, you couldn’t. So, this basically just meant that. White straight men were at a disadvantage and everyone else had the equal advantage. Right? But nobody else wanted that, right? Like, they don’t actually want a system where, because as soon as you do that, it becomes really clear.

It’s like, oh, so this is just a system that disproportionately targets white straight men, right? Like that’s the point of the system to disadvantage one fairly narrow group, right? Within a community like that especially, right. So [00:17:00] that’s how you win. Okay. But I want to get back to, and, and what’s really cool is actually the system that they came, the points of the progressive pitch system is what it’s called to hide this, which is to have one person or a small committee do it behind closed doors, order people, so people don’t really know how the ordering was done.

Oh, so

Simone Collins: it’s a college admissions where you submit. Your application, it sort of falls behind this curtain. Decisions are made, you are told that they’re made properly, and then you have to accept the author’s response.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. And in these, they often take into account transactional things where it’s like, oh, you’re like gay and black and Muslim.

You know, go to the front of the lines, sir. Anyway, it’s like that 30 rock receipts. His a, a competitor in a, a black guy in a wheelchair and he is just like, like even back then, they knew what was up. But. When one group, and we’ll go into the group that did this in a a [00:18:00] a bit later, did delineate the hierarchy of oppression.

They only did it ethnically and it already had a lot of problems, which was they put blacks at the top then indigenous. Which, I mean, if I was indigenous, I’d have a, a bone to pick with that particular framing. Yeah. How are the

Simone Collins: indigenous people doing right now?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, the ones that are, yeah.

Indigenous people have been significantly more screwed by history than black. I’m just, sorry. Like objective.

Simone Collins: What base? Campers have argued actually that they’re functionally extinct. Just sort of given, like if you define Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: That’s how they got screwed.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. I, well, are they screwed?

Malcolm Collins: Anymore if you happen to be indigenous in any sort of authentic sense, which most well people,

Simone Collins: I mean, I think one of the arguments you made was that none even dream in their native languages anymore.

And so that’s kind of like

Malcolm Collins: a, but there are at least some people who are genetically thoroughly indigenous. Still not many, but sup. [00:19:00] They, because they are functionally extinct at this point have the greatest oppression card out there, right? And not just that, but their communities are where they do exist usually.

Incredibly poor because of intergenerational handouts. Now it is their privilege that caused their poverty. As we said, there’s nothing you could do that would permanently destroy black communities more than giving out reparations. Look at any of the large studies like the Sam Altman study on, government handoffs. Just go watch our video on that. Universal

Simone Collins: based income. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. UBI it, it destroys communities. We have two videos where we talk about it in that context, and the one where we talk about it in the context of Native American settlements and what it does if you leave it intergenerationally and it leads to things like, you know, a.

25, 30% unemployment, like 45% opioid addiction rates. People need struggle in their life, right? And, and, and capitalism actually works towards preserving mental health. And if you disagree with this, look. [00:20:00] Look at the rates of drunkenness in Soviet Union states, right? Mm-hmm. Like they were way worse than in capitalist states, right?

Any drug that they could get their hands on in the Soviet Union, they were over consuming. So yeah, no, every, everywhere we have tried communism has led to these sorts of problems.

Simone Collins: Well see. Even just like look at Nepo babies who’ve grown up in excess too.

Malcolm Collins: Right. But then

Simone Collins: anyone who grows up in abundance,

Malcolm Collins: not having the indigenous Americans are above people of color, bipoc, and then bipoc are above white people.

But even there, like, I think some

Simone Collins: wait, wait. When do you cease to become black and become a, a person of color though too? Because like, what if you’re mixed race, you know? Or what if, what if you’re like a Latino? You know, and

Malcolm Collins: black people of color means white people who claim to be people of color.

I think everybody who’s got a drop that could claim to be black in this system is gonna claim to be black. And then people of color is white, European, Latinos. That’s wild. Yeah. You, you know it. I know it. Come on. But let’s get into this, right? [00:21:00] There was an article that covered the event that I think did a pretty good job of it.

In the national post how the NDPs equity cards turn the convention into a circus. Canada’s new Democratic party in pd, held a convention and elected their new leader, Evie Lewis. Over three days last weekend, the convention made the ND famous, perhaps infamous is more like it, and drew attention from across the world.

All this happened at a time when the party is in its death rose. It has lost its official status in Canada’s House of Commons and has a measly six elected members in parliament. So it’s important to understand that this sort of internal fighting has destroyed this party. We must unleash this cancer in more places to destroy them faster.

And if it takes down companies, so be it. The more we can spread the inevitable result of this particular disease, the better. How did the in and, and in our book, the Pragmatist Guide to Crafting [00:22:00] Religion, we argue that this is actually an evolved feature of the urban monocultural mimetic virus, which is to say basically it captures an institution and then it begins to use that institution to more quickly infect nodes within that institution using the institution’s own infrastructure.

EG. Pr, the wait, you call it like HR department and the, you know, all the, the quizzes you have to do and all the surveys and all the fear, but eventually once it’s infected, almost everyone who’s remaining in the institution, it now can’t spread, right? Like it’s stuck in the institution. So how do you spread?

Well, you’ve got to be. Parasitoid in nature, that means you have to kill your host. And basically once an institution reaches a certain level of infection, it becomes completely unable to do anything thrashes around like an insect crawling with worms on the inside and explodes. So the worms can now go and infect other institutions, right?

But if you can speed up this process, you can make it too [00:23:00] virulent and a disease or a parasitoid that is too virulent ends up extinguishing the. Willing host population as we’re beginning to see. And we pointed out with black women who were for a long time, used as the primary, a host for some strains of the urban monoculture are now basically unable to find employment because nobody wants to hire them.

There was a, a 50% increase in black female unemployment this last year. Right? So, you, you do eventually find a point where you become so virulent. To groups and, no, I’m not saying all black women are carriers of the urban monocultural mimetic virus. I’m just saying that it used them disproportionately to the point where now people avoid hiring them.

But to continue here, the party’s equity card system initially allowed for conference s who self-identified as anything other than cis man IE biologically a man to jump to the head. Of the microphone and gain [00:24:00] speaking priority during policy debate sessions. The, oh, so the, the trans men were still allowed to jump to the front?

No. That’s very good that they, they knew, they knew about that mistake, potentially.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And I, I, if you’ve been touched by femininity, you are okay. It’s, you are accepted.

Malcolm Collins: Did you affiliate any? At any point in your life. Yeah. Well, I mean, that would allow like gender queer people and everything like that to play the game as well, so, okay.

Good. You got, you got your people. The, the neon yellow cards caused near immediate problems, however, and viral video clips of delegates bickering over the card system began flooding social media algorithms on day two. Of the convention lawyer, Adrianna Smith Convention chair opened the event on day one by sharing an email address where conference attendance were told to immediately file a report if they felt they were victims of discrimination or harassment on the basis of any protected characteristics such as gender identity.

Smith stated that an quote unquote anti-harassment [00:25:00] officer would quote, unquote, follow up directly and provide support. So I love they’ve already created this like. We’ve got secret police at the event. Everybody be the eyes and ears on everybody else, right? Everybody be primed to feel harassed, right?

Like you’ll get special attention if you end up feeling harassed. So like, go in feeling that way, right? And you know that. Every one of these fricking Karens, they hear this and their first thought is basically, this officer exists for me. Right? Like for, for, to exercise my will on everybody else.

Simone Collins: They’re, they’re not an off, they’re a minion.

They are meant to be sent on errands to serve them personally. Yes, yes.

Malcolm Collins: Mm-hmm. And affirm them personally.

Simone Collins: Well, yes, but not, not affirm them directly. Force other people to bow down to them. You, you must understand, okay, that is the, the mechanism

Malcolm Collins: by the way. Thoughts, [00:26:00] Simone, everybody wants to hear you ‘cause you’re the smart one.

Before I go further,

Simone Collins: I’m just entranced by this. I think you’re absolutely right that this, if you want to take down an enemy, you have to take them down by their own weaknesses. By basically allowing them to trip over themselves. And this, this is a very. Great illustration of how that can happen.

Malcolm Collins: It’s not just a great illustration.

It basically lays out how progressives avoid this in some scenarios and how to trigger this particular cascade. Did Octavian come up? Was he trying to annoy you?

Simone Collins: No. Easter egg hunt. I’m letting know he can go out and do it with the rest of the kids.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, you’re very, very sweet, Simone.

Simone Collins: He’s been looking forward to it all day long.

Oh. ‘

Malcolm Collins: cause he wants to hang out with Aaliyah.

Simone Collins: Yes, he does. Aaliyah. Aaliyah,

Malcolm Collins: what a little brat.[00:27:00]

Simone Collins: It’s his first crush. What are you gonna do? You know?

Malcolm Collins: Well, is is it with his, his oldest friend? You know, and so you gotta hang out, do princess. Okay. So continue here. But no, I, I think you, you put the, he hit the nail on the head of the most important part of this. They are showing how you trigger. The parasitoid moment and how it can be pre how, how, how it can be triggered.

What, what is it like before? It’s, it’s meant to naturally trigger in a, in an infected organism or group.

Simone Collins: Well, what you’re doing here is you’re trying to force detonate a bomb, you know? Yeah. This is, this is, this is a, oh, sorry. The word is controlled destination. That’s what you, you want to do with a movement that’s dangerous like this.

Malcolm Collins: So you, you get in a room with a bunch of people like this, you’re a cis guy, right? So. Of course you are at the bottom of the totem pole, right? And so what do you do? Right? How do you, how do you handle this? You say, well, as a cis man, I believe that trans [00:28:00] women. Should always be able to speak first due to their oppression was in our society.

Simone Collins: You just gotta kick it off. Yeah. You know, you just, you drop in. Yep. Yep. Mm-hmm. And you walk

Malcolm Collins: out,

Simone Collins: we’ll let the fuse. Now it’s just awaken. Its, you just gotta wait for it to snake. Its way over. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yes.

Malcolm Collins: And then if somebody else says, well, hold on Malcolm, but as a white man. You know, you can’t understand what it feels like to be black and to see a trans woman speak before me and then I say, whoa, you are right.

We need to create a table with a hierarchy of oppressed categories. Mm-hmm. If the entire point of something like a point of privilege system is to ensure that a more oppressed person is more centered, then all of you who have had an internal memory experience of [00:29:00] oppression, shouldn’t you be able to sort this out?

And of course, I will recuse myself because. I have no role in this

Simone Collins: conversation. No. Yeah, no. Your, your white man voice is not

Malcolm Collins: welcome, and they all just throw them to the wolves. It’s like when the emperor would like throw money at crowds to watch them fight over it. Well, of course someone in this room is the most depressed.

Simone Collins: Well, someone has to ask though, like. Was this, this a matter of people going to the local printing store next door to this convention center and buying their own colored card stock? Or was this a troll? Handing out additional pieces of colored card stuff and saying,

Malcolm Collins: oh no, I know this. People in their head so easy.

They see some trans woman up there speaking or some woman up there speaking and they think that they should be in the most oppressed group in the room, and they are [00:30:00] just moldering. Especially because like imagine you’re one of the Quebec and you know. Well, at the last conference, what,

Simone Collins: Becky,

Malcolm Collins: like truck, you had cards that you could use, right?

Isn’t it? I don’t care. ‘em, Quebec Quebecers, they’re, they’re not people, come on, they’re not gonna be here in a few years anyway. They have a terrible birth rate. I think one of the lower fertility rates in France. I think so. Up in, in, in Canada, whatever.

Simone Collins: Oh God.

Malcolm Collins: They never should have been allowed in this country in the first place.

Really?

Simone Collins: You’ll never give the French a chance. You are never gonna give the French a chance,

Malcolm Collins: I swear to you. No, it is. It is my culture to eat. It

Simone Collins: doesn’t matter if they’re in Canada. It doesn’t matter if they’re in France. It doesn’t matter if they’re in some African country. You’re like, no, you’re out.

Malcolm Collins: Cheese eating. Surrender monkeys.

Simone Collins: We love cheese. How dare you?

Malcolm Collins: I do like cheese, but I don’t like cheese. I, I, I we’ve talked about this in another episode, but like, [00:31:00] genuinely, I only like, didn’t like the French performatively at first because if you’re from Texas, you know, like culturally you’re supposed to pretend you hate the French.

It’s just one of those things that like everybody pro pretends performatively, they hate the French and Texas is like a Texas thing. But like. Hilariously. I have since been to France on a number of occasions, and they are easily, I mean, without any close competition, the most unpleasant people on earth Parisians specifically I’ve heard that there are pleasant French people outside of Paris.

But and I will note, I may like make fun of New York and stuff like this and like New York is falling apart, but like. People in American major cities like New York and San Francisco are predominantly pretty decent. They may not be

Simone Collins: as, no, our, our reputation is just for being very loud and very friendly and yeah.

That, that is, that is like known as we’re like, hi. And we just talk with people all the time and like you don’t see that in France, especially not Paris. You don’t see that in [00:32:00] Germany. For sure. You see

Malcolm Collins: it more in Germany than in, in, in any other European country that I’ve seen.

Simone Collins: You see, no, people are, people are fairly, they’re more friendly in, in the UK than they are in Germany.

Malcolm Collins: I think it’s more friendly in Germany.

Simone Collins: Mm, disagree.

Malcolm Collins: Well, our comments can argue about this. I, I, I don’t see it as a big difference. I mean, I definitely think it’s debatable. UK versus Germany.

Simone Collins: You can’t be like, oh, nice weather today. If you’re like checking out at groceries in Germany, they look at you like you’ve committed a war crime.

Really like, don’t even, don’t even, the difference is that I guess you don’t have the chance to in the UK ‘cause it’s just some beleaguered immigrant running, one of those like auto checkout lines, you know, you won’t find someone running the cash register anyway. So,

Malcolm Collins: well, I mean, it, it actually comes down to something that we’ve talked about in other episodes where I think one of the worst social tactics.

That you can a, allow to be normalized is people attempting to raise their [00:33:00] social status by shutting down other people’s e excitedness or excitement about an idea or other

Simone Collins: peoples’. I don’t think that’s what’s going on in Germany. It’s just like, this is inefficient. This is not the place for it. It, it’s really not about, no, but

Malcolm Collins: it’s, it’s what’s going down in Paris, right?

Like.

Simone Collins: Oh sure. Yeah. Or like when you try to speak French in in France and they just kind of are insulted that you’ve butchered their language. It’s very different than when you try to speak Japanese and Japan and they just literally can’t understand you because white people don’t speak Japanese.

They’re like. What

Malcolm Collins: they, they, they’re so funny because Simone speaks some very fluent Japanese in, in terms of accent and everything. ‘cause she grew up there partially. And so when we had the Japanese news crew here and she answered the phone in Japanese and they, they freaked out. They were like I’m calling for Simone.

Can you put her on the phone?

Simone Collins: They, yeah, they actually did acknowledge that I. It’s different when they’re abroad. If you speak Japanese to someone who’s Japanese [00:34:00] and they’re outside the country, they’re like, wow. Whereas if you’re in the country, they’re like, I’m sorry I don’t speak English. It’s great.

Whereas, yeah, you’re definitely insulting the French by even trying. Which is great. I mean, that’s, I think that’s why it’s extra great that you just butcher their words. ‘cause you, you’re just feeding into the stereotype. This, it’s a, it’s a. It takes two to tango. Right. You know, they need men like you to demonstrate that Americans shouldn’t be allowed to speak French at all, you know?

Malcolm Collins: Right, right, right. But I mean, actually interesting point by the way. If you’re talking about a culture that has never fully integrated, like if we talk about, well, if you integrate into American or Canadian culture, then you’re American or Canadian. The French never really have Quebec is still culturally very different from the rest of Canada.

Linguistically different from the rest of Canada. And the regions of the United States that were French settled like Louisiana. Are still culturally quite different from the other parts of the United [00:35:00] States. And I really only think that it is tolerable in the United States because it’s such a small population.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: But like if Louisiana was a significantly larger population in the United States, I’d, I’d be like, yeah, we need to, we need to have a conversation about

Simone Collins: it. People really speak French in Louisiana anymore. I don’t think there’s any No,

Malcolm Collins: but they, they’re different cultural

Simone Collins: anymore.

Malcolm Collins: They

Simone Collins: have, I think, more different culturally than in other places.

I would doubt. I doubt that.

Malcolm Collins: Yes, they are absolutely.

Simone Collins: Mm. Okay. I haven’t been so, I couldn’t say.

Malcolm Collins: They, they are like, and, and especially along the ME metrics that people like you and I find distasteful, they are by far the most mystical subpopulation in the United States. Mm. Like mysticism is an important part of like every day happening.

For many native louisianans and I find that very distasteful that doesn’t have a place in America. It, it’s funny that one [00:36:00] person saw how like materialist and anti mystical we were, and they thought that that was like in alignment with the urban monoculture. Whereas to me, the urban monoculture is incredibly mystical and, and, because like to, to us, it’s like far to the left of us on those things. And then these people are even further left than that, where they’re just like full on Woo and crystals and, but you know, their own brand of it. But anyway, to continue here, we have a collective responsibility to make sure that all of our party activities are safe, said Smiths.

These words seem to be set. Set the tone of the conference as one of a war between oppressed groups, each wanting to claim that they’d been wrong or discriminated against in some way, and encouraged delegates to view others suspiciously as strangers who might be covert bigots, who could cause them harm.

It certainly worked. Okay. What did he say? How do we trigger this in people? We have a collective responsibility to make sure that all of our party activities are safe. [00:37:00] Hmm. That’s a good one to throw out there. And then all signal. Hmm. Also this yellow card, which is available at all of the microphones, Smith said on day one, this is a way for a delegate to signal the chair that they have a gender identity other than man, and this allows you to exercise priority in the speaking order.

We will come to you early. Well,

Simone Collins: they should have just done it so that people didn’t misgender them, that they would just lose, use they them pronouns or something.

Malcolm Collins: Oh no. But that happened. Like there’s this scene where one of the people holds up a card. A non-binary person,

Simone Collins: okay.

Malcolm Collins: Holds up the card, claims a point of privilege.

Misgenders the person, they’re claiming the point of privilege to the the Madam Speaker, and then the Madam Speaker has to explain to them that they were just misgendered and explain that this would all agreed upon before the proceeding started. And it only covers gender

anyway. Less than two hours into the day Party members could be seen on camera adding additional color cards.[00:38:00]

Neon blue and pink. The microphone stands up to the stands. So they basically made a deal of cards and put them up at the stand. This apparently caused confusion among delegates who began to use the cards to identify as members of other equity seeking groups based on race or disability, for instance.

On day two, Smith told the audience, I want to be clear that at your convention, the equity card applies to gender equity.

Simone Collins: I really love this though. This ‘cause this, again, I hate the co. There’s no such thing as equality because it’s always equality based on something that is subjective. Either, you know, equality of.

Of need of merit, of wants it, of, of deserves it, of has had the most trauma of is of this privileged class is the most popular. Like there’s no such thing as equal and this shows that like. Well, I want my [00:39:00] equality and I want my equality. And it, it turns out that no, because equality means privilege. And when people talk about equity, what they’re talking about is I want a bigger slice of the pie.

And I know that if I use this word somehow, I’m going to get it. I, I just, oh, this is a great illustration of it though.

Malcolm Collins: Equity. I appreciate that. Equity is the opposite of equality. Okay. A an equitable world is a world that is definitionally unequal. In terms of effort to resources, alright? It’s a world that says, if anything impedes your effort to resources journey or even potentially, could we have to rig the system in your favor?

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Anybody who says they want equity is saying they want fascism. They are saying they want to strip you of your rights and you shouldn’t for a second be confused about what that word really means. [00:40:00] Hmm. I think there’s a, a funny meme of this or something where it’s like what equity means and is, you know, the three different people trying to look over the fence at a, a baseball game.

And the, the reality is, is it’s the, the tallest person has their legs chopped off, so they’re the same height as the shortest person. The next person has their legs cut off that much. They’re the same height at the shortest person. And this is true, everybody has to go down to the height of the shortest person because you, you.

You cannot, like if you are raising one person, that has to come at the expense of other people who are producing more. And that only comes from lopping down other people. Right. But what I love here is he goes this is the decision that you collectively made. Those delegates from Ontario might remember that at the Ontario Convention.

We use the cards more broadly for members of all equity seeking groups. I’d encourage you to consider that as we move along towards the future that we all deserve basically [00:41:00] saying. He’s referencing the Ontario one here, but basically being like, look, we voted on, this is only gonna be about gender at this convention.

So on the last day of the convention, Shane, this happened on the last day of the convention. A white day guy comes up, of course, this white guy and says. Hey, what if we make this multiple cards thing official? And every time somebody uses their card, they have to explain how that disadvantage or point of privilege is relevant to the talking point that they are about to make

Simone Collins: on.

This was a troll. This was a troll. How is he not a troll?

Malcolm Collins: That is where I’m just like. And it got voted on. So, you know, hopefully it’ll be in there next year. Because it would’ve made things so much worse because they’re all gonna wanna say it before they have to say anything. They’re all gonna wanna say it, but now they have to explain why it’s relevant.

I’m not, I’m not gonna keep reading here. Because I think we covered all the important [00:42:00] points with the really big one being that, that the other big trick in this is to get them to create hierarchies. As soon as you can do that, you’ve what? Right. Because then they, when they realize they’re not Well,

Simone Collins: yeah.

As soon as is one group. Yeah. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And this is really true of particularly the most self-interested groups. So where the hierarchies are really busting of the coalition is trans people, a hundred percent believe they should be at the top. Always black people, a hundred percent believe they should be at the top always and is

Simone Collins: black people who are actively participating in this, which I wanna argue, you know, there, there are lots of black people who do not buy into this.

Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, yeah.

Simone Collins: And there are also I, I would say keyword, but they’re 100% trans people who do not buy into this political ideology who are just living their lives.

Malcolm Collins: And then finally, Islamists, they a hundred percent think that they’re actually in the top. They think all of progressivism is really about promoting Muslim values.

Simone Collins: [00:43:00] Yeah. Would you, would you say that there are subsets, like there’s the Palestinian supporting Islam, Islamists, and then there’s just Islamists. Because I feel like there’s one set that doesn’t understand what Palestine is about at all. And then there’s another one that like understands the larger goal of Islam and is actually like, believes is an adherent of the religion.

And then there’s other people who just like literally don’t understand and just listen to Hamas propaganda points and are not themselves Islamic.

Malcolm Collins: So the branch of Islamists that likes these people is in the Palestine faction a hundred percent. There are many Muslims who are not of this category that you talk about, right?

In America, they generally vote conservative. They’re generally Republicans and they’re generally afraid of these groups. There was recently one of the, the leaders of Qatar was speaking recently.

Speaker 9: And let me say this in English [00:44:00] so you can understand what I’m saying. I have translation. No, I know you have translation, but I’m, I just want to make sure you get it right.

There will come a day that we will see far more radical extremists and terrorists coming out of Europe because of lack of decision making, trying to be politically correct. Or assuming that they know the Middle East and they know Islam and they know the others far better than we do. And I’m, I’m sorry, but that’s pure ignorance.

Malcolm Collins: And he said in about 20 years there is going to be a rash of violent Muslim terrorists, and it’s because of Western woke countries not cracking down where they should have.

And most [00:45:00] Muslims see this. They, they understand that the Muslims who support Palestine are terrorists who want to kill the sane Muslims as much as they want to kill the rest of us. Right? And if you don’t have any sane Muslim friends, like seriously go out there like. We live in an area that’s, that’s got a heavy Muslim population that is predominantly sane Muslims.

Right. And it’s because of where they come. Like I’m, I’m gonna be honest, most of the crazy Muslims come from like one of three fairly small areas, but they’re Branch of Islam has been adopted by the wider progressive cause.

Simone Collins: Hmm. Yeah. So the, yeah, the, the point is not to be suspicious of someone just because they’re Muslim.

It’s to be suspicious of someone because No, no, no,

Malcolm Collins: no, no. Be suspicious of someone because they’re Muslim. Trust but verify. Right. You know, like,

Simone Collins: oh God, I was gonna say like if they’re Muslim and [00:46:00] staunch, progressive political activists, that’s, that’s a pretty clear red flag. But

Malcolm Collins: yeah, I mean. Basically you, you wanna don’t make them say, I like Israel, right?

Like, that’s not the way you, you, you, you’re like, okay. Of the various political groups battling over the Middle East right now, which one are you for? Right. Like, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iran or one of the other groups like the, the, the IES or the Al-Qaeda or the you know, isis. And there’s acceptable answers there, right?

If they say Saudi Arabia they’re, they’re still a little suss. They could be waas. If they say UAE, they’re generally fine. If they say Qatar be super suss if they say any of the terrorist groups or Iran, you know. You’re dealing, you’re dealing with a situation there, right? [00:47:00] Well, I mean

Simone Collins: fun.

Malcolm Collins: Also

Simone Collins: fun. I feel like people, people in Iran themselves are actually not. Extremists in general?

Malcolm Collins: No. No. Generally Persian immigrants to the United States. F**k hate Iran. Like Yeah. I actually don’t know if I ever met an Iranian who likes the current Iranian government.

Simone Collins: Yeah, that’s the weird thing.

Malcolm Collins: We gotta jump on our, our next podcast.

But funny, funny side note about like, the trait I always see in Iranians. Like, I joke about Iranians all the time on this podcast, but the number one trait, and I, I don’t know why I haven’t said this on the, on the show before that I always associate with Iranians in the United States is they more than any ethnic group I have ever met, love nightclubs and clubbing.

I have never met another group that can go to nightclubs. Multiple nights in a row. Right.

Simone Collins: They’ve evolved for it.

Malcolm Collins: They have evolved for it. They,

Simone Collins: yeah, they, they have like tolerance for the poison. It’s, it’s part of their DNA. We gotta run. We gotta run.

Malcolm Collins: Got

Simone Collins: run.

Malcolm Collins: [00:48:00] Okay. Bye.

Simone Collins: I just sent you the link. Okay, don’t worry. It will be okay. I mean, I shouldn’t say that. I can’t guarantee that everything will be okay. People who say that are not to be trusted,

I am so curious because the moment I saw people making fun of this, I wanted to understand what is this system? How do you get the cards? Is there a desk that hands out the cards? Do you make up your own cards? What is this? What does point of privilege mean? I have, there are just so many things that I need to know.

Because I mean, normally in left-leaning circles, point of privilege, or at least the term privilege is a derogatory term, right? You need to check your privilege, your white privilege, et cetera, right? Mm-hmm. So why would [00:49:00] someone want to pair a card associated, presumably with privilege? With a right to speak, like point of privilege, minority card, right?

They were saying things like that, which implies that they like the privilege. The privilege is good. It is a privilege to be a minority. But then how, how can you be oppressed? If it’s a privilege, I, please tell me you have answers

Malcolm Collins: all right. So I will jump right in. Yes. And for dinner tonight what are you thinking? Za. Fantastic. Love it. The would like

Simone Collins: me to thaw out more

Malcolm Collins: Za lasagna. Yeah.

Simone Collins: You

Malcolm Collins: mean

Simone Collins: would, yeah.

Would you like me to thaw out more steak for subsequent nights?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I’d love that. Especially cooking it. However you made it the last time you made it, or I think you might have cooked it a bit more to render the internal fat better. It made it a lot softer. Easier. Yeah, it steered

Simone Collins: it longer. Yeah. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: He’s a really good [00:50:00] strategy. Oh, that’s a cute kid. Look at him. He’s like wiggling and worming. Now

Simone Collins: he’s got things to do. He has strong opinions. He, his toes are of great interest right now. He’s trying to eat them. Sir,

Malcolm Collins: for a alternate, an episode I really wanted to do was one American versus all of Iraq.

Sorry, all of Iran. But, simone thought that that had been covered too well. So I’ll see if I can find, I wanna find more information on why his jet went down, that, that, that was not covered. I thought that was gonna be covered in the ethical take.

Simone Collins: Hmm. Yeah. And

Malcolm Collins: so

getting a good idea of how that went down.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Was it gunned down or was it something else?

Speaker 11: what do you call this? Dance moves? Sun. Sun? Yeah. And you dance in for the baby chicks Dance. They think it’s pretty special.

The best part of game the baby. She’s [00:51:00] like this. Yeah. Yeah. Be careful you don’t fall off the chair.

Wait, can I see the picture on me dancing?

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