Poem: 'What It Looks Like To Us'

In this episode, Mike and Tim ask a provocative question: Is "Christ is King" becoming blasphemy? They begin by analyzing recent political rhetoric, specifically a speech by Pete Hegseth, to discuss how biblical language can be hijacked for coercive power rather than reflecting the character of Jesus. The hosts argue that proclaiming theological truths while living in opposition to the way of Jesus is a distortion of "faith and politics."

The conversation then shifts to a deep exploration of the Lord's Prayer and the petition, "Your Kingdom come." Mike and Tim unpack the concept of the "anti-kingdom," explaining that Jesus preached the Kingdom of God in enemy-occupied territory. They explore "theology" regarding the "powers and principalities," looking at the Divine Council in the Psalms, the "heavenly host" in Genesis, and how the biblical authors understood the spiritual forces behind structural evil and injustice. This isn't just about ancient myths; it is about understanding "the role of the church in society" when facing systemic corruption.

By contrasting the "cruciformity" of the Gospel with the power dynamics of empire, the guys offer a framework for "navigating cultural challenges" with wisdom. They highlight that true "Christianity" recognizes the spiritual battle at play—not just in individuals, but in cultural patterns and ideologies. As the hosts discuss the "seen and unseen" realms, they emphasize the importance of prayer and "justice" in a world that is both beautiful and broken. We encourage and would love discussion as we pursue these complex topics, so please engage the conversation on Facebook and Instagram.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and Welcome

02:17 - Living with Purpose Daily

05:46 - Pete Hegseth Biblical Analysis

09:55 - Spiritual Warfare and Authority

10:54 - Defining the Anti-Kingdom

18:07 - Mark 1:21-28 Bible Study

23:43 - Jewish Beliefs About Demons

26:04 - Jesus Appoints Twelve Disciples

26:50 - Understanding the Unforgivable Sin

30:57 - Spiritual vs Physical Realms

31:59 - Biblical Identity of Satan

36:30 - The Heavenly Host Explained

46:18 - Psalm 82 Divine Council

49:29 - Principalities and Spiritual Powers

51:01 - Spiritual Powers Unjust Rulers

52:49 - Spiritual Powers Popular Culture

54:09 - Idols and Sacrificed Meat

56:10 - Judgment of Spiritual Powers

57:28 - Satan and Cosmic Powers

1:01:55 - Overcoming the Anti-Kingdom

1:06:46 - Spiritual Reflection Poem

1:09:14 - Support and Partnership

1:09:19 - Connect and Follow Us

What It Looks Like To Us and the Words We UseBy Ada Limón

All these great barns out here in the outskirts, black creosote boards knee-deep in the bluegrass. They look so beautifully abandoned, even in use. You say they look like arks after the sea's dried up, I say they look like pirate ships, and I think of that walk in the valley where J said, You don't believe in God? And I said, No. I believe in this connection we all have to nature, to each other, to the universe. And she said, Yeah, God. And how we stood there, low beasts among the white oaks, Spanish moss, and spider webs, obsidian shards stuck in our pockets, woodpecker flurry, and I refused to call it so. So instead, we looked up at the unruly sky, its clouds in simple animal shapes we could name though we knew they were really just clouds— disorderly, and marvelous, and ours. Copyright Credit: Poem copyright ©2012 by Ada Limón, whose most recent book of poems is Sharks in the Rivers, Milkweed Editions, 2010. Poem reprinted from Poecology, Issue 1, 2011, by permission of Ada Limón and the publisher.

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