Trevor and I talked through how I build real businesses by choosing better odds instead of chasing hype. I shared how I started from zero, tested demand with simple tactics, and why boring proven ideas beat trying to be the one in a thousand startup.

We also covered pricing, firing bad customers, using data over ego, and why business never gets easier, you just get stronger. From building companies to raising kids who can handle discomfort, this episode is about doing hard things and winning because of it.