Debating Michael: mafia culture and fear

John Regalado is joined by retired FBI agent Tom and veteran police officer Heather to unpack the most revealing moments from their Surrounded debate with ex-Mafia Boss, Michael Franzese. In this follow-up interview, they dig into the deep mistrust between the American public and the FBI, why narratives of "hyper-partisanship" are damaging institutional integrity, and how the psychology of fear, empathy, and the heavy toll of service collide in modern policing.

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