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Hi Spring fans! In this installment I sit down with DevOps legend and industry analyst extraordinaire John Willis and talk about his new book _Rebels of Reason: The Long Road from Aristotle to ChatGPT and AI's Heroes Who Kept the Faith_, and talk about the nature of the ecosystem, AI, the role of the developer in this exciting new world, and so much more! #ai #springboot #developers #artificailintelligence * [get the book](https://www.amazon.com/Rebels-Reason-Aristotle-ChatGPT-Heroes-ebook/dp/B0FCD8TW8R) * begin your [AI journey with Spring AI](https://start.spring.io)