The Permacrisis: A Positive Take

We've seen this huge period of change and that also affects art. So like a sort of knee-jerk response to this fucked up time is actually when a lot of the best art is going as well. It gives you our favourite thing, which unfortunately comes most of the time when you've gone through something really messed up. As Bell and I constantly talk about Phoenix saying, literally the only thing you can do is rise out of it somehow. We've done that in our movie. And truly, if there's one thing that you take away from all of this, it's that we get one life. The whole world rose together like a Phoenix from the end. And we all