Why Services Moats Might Persist

In this episode of Mostly Growth, the number one podcast in product monetization, we unpack Sequoia’s thesis that the next $1T company will sell outcomes, not software. If selling tools puts you in a race against AI, does selling the work win instead? We break down which industries are most exposed, real-world examples, and what this shift means for moats, pricing, and valuation.

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SPONSORS:

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LINKS: 

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Ben on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/slackerstuff/

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TIMESTAMPS:

0:00 Preview and Intro

2:36 Sequoia's "Services as Software" report

2:56 The trillion dollar thesis

6:31 Which businesses to target

7:47 Barriers around personal information

9:00 Sponsors — HockeyStack | RightRev | Tropic

12:41 Services still need humans

16:28 Outsourced dev shops

18:17 Sequoia's 2x2 framework

20:40 Management consulting — is McKinsey dead?

23:33 Outsourced call centers

25:36 Law firms

28:37 Accounting firms

28:58 The 10x accountant

30:20 Moats in this space

33:51 How investors will value these companies

36:37 Hot Wheels, Nvidia, Altman brothers

37:32 Credits

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