Why You Can’t Stop Working—And How to Break the Cycle with Malissa Clark
Ambition 2.0
Intro
Amanda introduces Malissa Clark, her credentials, and the episode's theme about workaholism and hustle culture.
Repeat after us: You can love your job and still be a workaholic.
In this episode of Ambition 2.0, Amanda Goetz sits down with Dr. Malissa Clark, a professor at the University of Georgia, Director of the Healthy Work Lab, and author of Never Not Working: Why the Always-On Culture Is Bad for Business—and How to Fix It, to break down what workaholism can look like in real life (spoiler: it’s not just about working long hours). They get into the sneaky “working light” tasks that we tell ourselves don’t count as work (like sending emails while watching TV or checking Slack between errands), how leaders accidentally create always-on teams, and so much more.
If you’ve ever felt guilty while resting, struggled to stop thinking about work, or worried that your ambition is turning into something unhealthy, this episode is worth a listen.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
00:00 Intro
01:33 What workaholism is (and the four components)
04:32 Early signs your work habits are becoming unhealthy
07:21 What to do if you think you might be a workaholic
11:23 How leaders unintentionally create “always-on” teams
13:26 How to bring boundaries up with your boss
20:46 Redesigning work culture
24:04 Surviving a 40-hour workweek without losing your life
32:56 Rapid fire: urgent emails, Slack, PTO, and commute baths
GUEST LINKS
Read Never Not Working: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781647825096
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ABOUT AMBITION 2.0Powered by Girlboss, Ambition 2.0 is a podcast where we’ll be exploring what it really means to “have it all” in work, family, identity, and self… and if it’s actually worth it. Each week, you'll hear from hardworking women who’ve walked the tightrope of ambition. They'll share their costly mistakes, lessons learned, and practical tips for how to have it all and actually love what you have.
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