153: Rethinking Goals-Based Financial Planning: Using Behavioral Experiments to Improve Client Outcomes with Meghaan Lurtz
The Human Side of Money
Personal origin of experiments mindset
Meghaan recounts her therapist's advice to treat relationships as experiments and how that shaped her career decisions.
Most financial planning is built around goals.
Goals like:
- Retiring at 60
- Spending more time traveling
- Leaving a legacy through philanthropy
But there’s a structural flaw in that model: human beings are notoriously poor predictors of their future preferences. What we think will make us happy at 60 often looks very different once we get there.
Yet as Advisors, we routinely ask clients to define long-term goals without fully pressure-testing the assumptions behind them.
In this episode, Meghaan Lurtz explains how we can shift away from the shortcomings of goals-based planning by focusing on the power of experiments.
Instead of asking our clients to commit to big, static goals, we can help them design small, intentional experiments.
Help them test the retirement, test the travel, and test the hobbies they “think” they’ll enjoy one day.
Because a client who has tried something knows what they want. And an Advisor who helps them get there becomes indispensable.
If you want deeper conversations, more engaged retirees, and clients who actually use their money in ways that improve their lives, then this episode offers a practical framework you can implement immediately.
You’ll Learn:
- Why goals-based planning may be unintentionally limiting your clients’ happiness
- The simple 4-step experiment framework that unlocks confident spending and clearer decisions
- How to help chronic under-spenders safely test higher spending without triggering fear
- Why debriefing client experiences may be more powerful than the financial plan itself
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Links To Resources Mentioned:
“Helping Underspenders and Savers Understand They Can Spend More With 4 Stages Of Experiments”
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About Our Guest:
Meghaan Lurtz, Ph.D., FBS™ is a globally recognized expert on the psychology of financial planning and the human dynamics of money. She is a partner at Beyond The Plan®.
Dr. Lurtz is also a Professor of Practice at Kansas State University, teaching in the Advanced Financial Planning and Financial Therapy Certificate Programs, and a Lecturer at Columbia University, where she teaches Financial Psychology. Her academic and professional contributions include published research in Journal of Financial Planning, Journal of Consumer Affairs, and Financial Planning Review, as well as regular columns on Kitces.com.
Her expertise has been featured in The Wall Street Journal, BBC, Million Dollar Roundtable, New York Magazine, and more. She has co-authored chapters in the CFP Board’s textbook Client Psychology and serves on multiple fintech boards bridging financial advice with mental health. Meghaan is a past President of the Financial Therapy Association.
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