Roger Griffin's Fascism Definition

Malcolm and Simone Collins dive into a no-holds-barred rant on fascism, modern progressivism, and why the left’s definitions often collapse under scrutiny. We analyze a viral progressive figure (Note Brigade / Nope Brigade) who fled the US for Canada fearing “fascism” — only to complain about Canada’s cost of living, housing crisis, and more. Is fascism just repackaged socialism? Why do rebirth myths, populism, and nationalism scare the left so much? We break down historical myths about the 1950s, black communities, Tulsa, cultural autonomy, and why MAGA isn’t “white Christian nationalism.” Plus: gun rights, trans violence stats, urban monoculture vs. cultural diversity on the right, and why America’s narrative of unity is winning minorities over.

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Episode Transcript

Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to do a deep dive into a few topics. One is to try to understand how progressives see fascism as something other than just progressivism. You can go find our band a video where we talk about that. That nearly got us YouTube because I really wanted to understand that what, what is their perspective on this?

And in that, I ended up doing a deep dive on a figure called Note Brigade who runs a popular. Twitter account and right now is going viral on right wing circles because she fled the United States as a refugee, went to Canada and then immediately realized everything is worse in Canada.

Speaker: My partner, our cat, and our dog fled the United States. We headed north and in Canada, I think it’s actually the, the cost of living crisis is worse here,

Malcolm Collins: she, it’s actually very interesting watching her ‘cause I wanted to understand why did she [00:01:00] think she was in danger, right?

This is somebody who lived in. LA She is a white woman. Okay. Well, she identifies as non-binary or something, but basically a, a white woman who lives in la, she, presumably because of like anti-trans stuff or something, she decided that she needed to flee the United States without a super big plan.

And she then goes and, and I’ll note here because I’ve watched a lot of her videos to try to understand her world perspective.

What’s interesting to me is if you could just break through the wall, she’s actually very Republican in a lot of her views and not even that unreasonable in most of her political views.

I’ll give you an example. She has one video where she says, you leftists cannot tell the difference between what makes you uncomfortable and what makes you safe.

Speaker 4: I’m sorry, but you’re not, and you wanna know why? It’s because you cannot tell the difference between what makes you uncomfortable and what makes you [00:02:00] unsafe. And you are so committed to your own comfort and your own emotional safety. You’re willing to pass up opportunities to build coalition. You literally cannot recognize allies even when they drop into your lap.

Malcolm Collins: That’s a view that I think many right wingers would have about leftist communities, right? Specifically she was complaining about a leftist community she was in, refused to work with a church.

And she’s like, look, this church had colonizers flags everywhere. Progress pride flags as she would’ve called them. You know, they were the wokes of the woke. And many people that lives a group just would not work with them.

Speaker 2: You can’t tell that churches aren’t all the same and you don’t know your own history. You can’t tolerate any nuance . Where do you think the civil rights movement happened?

It’d be so convenient if we could just blanket dismiss whole groups of people as being unworthy of being our allies just because they’re religious. But unfortunately, you actually have to hold nuance

Malcolm Collins: and I was like, that’s a good, and in her video where she goes over what fascism [00:03:00] is in her mind, I think she does explain modern rightist movements very well.

And she even correctly diagnoses why they’re so popular right now and why leftist movements are not popular right now. So there is a degree of sanity to her worldview, and this made it more interesting to me. Right. And, and not only that, when I hear about the, the reasons that she’s like sad to move to Canada you know, one of the first ones she mentions.

And so she won’t be able to bring her guns because she says she doesn’t feel safe without being armed all the time.

Simone Collins: confused.

I recently took down a video I made about being a gun owner and wishing that I could bring my gun with me to Canada because I think it spooked a lot of my Canadian friends.

Malcolm Collins: Like, you sound fairly right wing lady. You like working with churches to do food drives for the poor. That’s a pretty white wing thing to do. Not a very left wing thing to do.

Within the modern political context. You have guns and are afraid to give them up. She gets to Canada. And she [00:04:00] immediately starts complaining about how high the cost of housing is and how high the cost of living is. Pointing out that it’s much higher than it is in the United States. And I’m like. Does this not like Canada’s a way woke country than the, does it not drive through that?

Maybe their policies are leading to this, like presumably Canada’s much worse than the United States for a reason, right? Like does she not think in the United States, in Canada, if I go and I live in a right wing area, the cost of living’s gonna be much better. And by the way, she got herself in super hot water even with progressives.

‘cause she immediately starts begging for money. And people are like, well, you understand It’s

Simone Collins: no.

Malcolm Collins: bad for people who live in Canada too. Like you didn’t need to come here and make the problem worse, right? Like you as an immigrant are driving up the cost of living for everyone else.

Simone Collins: oh,

Malcolm Collins: But I wanna go into her takedown of fascism.

And I will read some parts of it for you, Simone and I will play some parts of it for our [00:05:00] fans so they can see it in her own words. Because again, I, I do not think that she is an INEL speaker. Okay. So she goes,

Speaker: If you call everything you don’t like from Biden to Trump fascism, when fascism arrives at your door, you are caught with your out, which is exactly what’s happened.

Malcolm Collins: so you need to get a clear definition of fascism.

And she talks about how scholars have two definitions of fascism.

One is just like listing, it’s like a listicle of a bunch of traits that fascism has. And I point out that the reason why they do this is to hide from themselves that. Fascism is just leftism like whatever modern progressivism is. And when people are like, nuh like fascists killed gay people, and I’m like, well, historically leftist governments were way more likely to kill gay people than capitalist governments.

And we’ll do a separate episode on that eventually, but yeah, most communist governments. Not all, but most decided to try to genocide their gay populations at one point or another. Same with their Jewish [00:06:00] populations fame. Communists love killing Jews. You know, if you don’t specifically code fascist governments as right wing, if you don’t code because racism.

Racism can’t be like only right wing when it’s directed in one direction. Like anyone will say like, anti-white racism is left wing. What? And then anti-black racism is no racism’s, just racism. Right. You know, you, you had a lot of, socialization of things. You had a lot of big government projects, you had a lot of dividing people into various ethnic groups.

You had a lot of scapegoating of Jews, which to the left has been very big in recently. So I don’t wanna go too big. You can watch our episode on that. It’s on substack.

YouTube doesn’t want you to see it. But, what I found it interesting for her is then she goes into the second definition of fascism that she creates.

And I, the reason I bring that up is because the reason why leftists have to do a listicle definition of fascism, instead of just saying, like, with communism when we’re describing communism, we’re like, oh, it’s just, you know, you distribute every, the, the state collects everything from, from individuals, right?

And then tries to distribute it to everyone. [00:07:00] Right. To try to create some form of like equality within society, right? And then within capital, that’s a very easy to understand explanation. People hear that, and there we go. I know what you’re talking about. And then with capitalism it is, oh, you know, it’s a, it’s a free market economy, right?

Everybody gets that immediately. You don’t need a big listicle. With fascism, if you boil it down in my head, right, like the way I’ve always boiled it down, it’s when the state collects from the people to serve some ideology some often nationalist in flavor, ideological goal. Which sounds a lot like modern socialism or modern progressivism, right?

It’s the state collects from everyone instead of for wealth redistribution, for wealth redistribution to specific ethnic groups for an ideological goal, which is what you see progressives often pushing for with DEI and stuff like this. But what she says fascism is, and she uses the definition by Roger Griffins,

Simone Collins: never heard of them.

Speaker: Fascism is a genus of political [00:08:00] ideology whose mythic core, in its various permutations, is a polygenetic form of populist ultra nationalism, political ideology, how societies should organize themselves politically,

Simone Collins: Not familiar with that word.

Malcolm Collins: So, so it, it needs to be three things in her mindset, right?

Simone Collins: Okay. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: needs to be populist, it needs to be nationalist, right?

And it needs to be. Polygenetic.

Now I note here in your head, you’re like, well, Malcolm, I understand that she has psychologically destroyed herself, but it’s not like she’s imposing this on other people.

Speaker 6: My students just turned in their midterm exams online, right? And there’s this little box at the end that had 2.5 points extra credit. If you told me what unit that we had covered in the social problems class was your favorite and that you’d learned the most from. And one student didn’t even answer that.

He just wrote in the box, I hate [00:09:00] the rich so f*****g much. Anything I can learn about inequality and their how to take them down, I’m into. And so he got the 2.5 credits, even though he didn’t tell me anything specific. And I was like, same fam. Same.

Malcolm Collins: .

And if you’re like, what is polygenetic? Okay, so Polygenetic refers to the concept of rebirth or regeneration or recreation stemming from the Greek words again, and births, it signifies the renewal or starting over. And I’d agree with that. Most most fascist states I’ve seen have an element of that, right.

Simone Collins: Okay,

Malcolm Collins: In a, in atypical, and it is something that you don’t see in leftist movements as much. You do not see the idea of rebirth in leftist movements, and it does allow for easy parallels to Trumpism and magnetism, right? Like, make America great again, right? Like recreate a past greatness through a form of [00:10:00] rebirth.

Simone Collins: Absolutely. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: okay. Yeah, I buy that. I don’t see why that’s necessarily a bad thing. If a current. If, if you have some myth that is easy for the public to believe, and I think to an extent, substantiated of a period in American history where it appeared that now I do not think the average American’s quality of life was higher than it is today.

But I do think that you could see our episode on Be Thankful the Thanksgiving episode we did. But I do think that. Well, the average American’s quality of life wasn’t better during that period. There was definitely more forwards momentum during certain periods of American history in terms of technological progress, scientific progress, industrial progress, raising people out of poverty.

Right. And so to look at a period and say, I want that again for America. I want fast technological progress. I want fast scientific progress. I want to raise people out of poverty at a fast rate without necessarily go, [00:11:00] you, you, you’re going to look at naturally when you do that. Well, how were things in the past that they were able to achieve these things because maybe some.

Things, some cultural technology, some social technology that we have adopted is leading to those things no longer happening at the same rate. That to me doesn’t seem like an intrinsically negative thing. That isn’t something that I would just reflexively say, this is a, something I decry or I don’t like about magnetism.

It’s something that I’d actively promote to look at why our society has economically stagnated. Right. And, and, and I think that. The fear that a leftist has over that and she would have over that, given her world conception is, is if, if I do that, if I admit that certain shifts in social norms post, you know, 1950s may have actually had deleterious effects to society.

And [00:12:00] see our episode on how progressivism or, or how wokes zombified black culture. I point out that, that many of these myths are here, like that, that, that blacks were significantly worse off then. And if you actually go through all the statistics on this there have been more racially motivated black killings in the past 10 years.

Significantly, I wanna say it’s like four times higher than there were lynches in the 1950s.

If you want numbers here, there were about two dozen people, black people who were killed due to racial violence in the 1950s that we have any sort of record on. Now, keep in mind, some of it could be lost, but over a hundred were killed in the last 10 years. Even if you say we lost half of the records of black people who were killed due to racial violence during this period, it wouldn’t even get you close to the number who died in the past 10 years.

Malcolm Collins: Like if, if you look at the, the raise in comparable black wages, and I’ll put a graph on screen here. It has not risen when contrasted with other groups. So they, they in many ways are doing,

if you look at out of marriage [00:13:00] childbirths, blacks conceived children outside of wedlock.

And, and were single parents at half the rates, whites were, if you go back to the 1950s,

Simone Collins: and just looking at rates of marriage too, I out, I, I think Black American families outpaced white families and rates of marriage too

Malcolm Collins: Yes.

The incarceration rate differences between blacks and white Americans in 1950 was lower than modern rates. So, and this was the

Simone Collins: 1950s, an era in the United States where discrimination was racist. Yes. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: The incarceration rates in the 1950s were five X higher than white rates.

So to say it’s significantly higher today is saying quite a lot. Yeah. Specifically, it was 5x the rate of whites in the 1950s, and it’s 7x the rate of whites today

So

Simone Collins: a

Malcolm Collins: it’s not even like when people are like, well, you wanna go back to the 1950s because you are white? I’m like I think you might be buying into myths about what happened to black culture post that period. It’s not that there was not any way that it wasn’t worth, there were many ways and that it was worse to be a Black American during that period than [00:14:00] modern day.

However. I go so far as to see, I think when a lot of blacks see what happened to their communities with all of the terrible stuff that happened to blacks during those periods, a lot of them would be like, yeah, but the tight knit, healthy black family and community was not necessarily something that I am comfortable trading for.

All of the advances that we have made on other social terms.

Simone Collins: the emphasis on some of the horrible things that happened as a product of racism. There are some elements of that that are kinda swept under the rug, like the Tulsa riots. A lot of that came from resentment of a surrounding white community over a really. Like an affluent, successful black community. They

Malcolm Collins: that’s not what it was caused by.

Simone Collins: really,

So while it’s hard to know exactly what happened because of history, what everyone agrees on, what both sides agree on is a black man did something to a white girl, elevator operator that [00:15:00] made her scream and terrified her and left her, , mortified. Now. What that was. Both sides will say different things.

One will be like, well, he tripped the moment he entered the elevator and accidentally grabbed her as he was falling, which seems awfully convenient. That, that to me sounds like a story somebody would make up. But that is apparently the steel man of the other side. , And then things escalated when a bunch of, .

Our war veteran, , black people came to the courthouse and stood outside with weapons during the trial, , which people saw as attempting to intimidate the, , court.

Malcolm Collins: And, and that’s been, that’s been covered up.

It was much closer to what’s going on with ICE right now, where you have people attempting to hide people who actually are guilty of breaking a crime just sort of reflexively. And in part of that was because of the health of the community at the time, right. That they felt that they could get away with this.

Simone Collins: Interesting. You don’t think that there was also not some pent up resentment from the surrounding [00:16:00] community, which was less affluent when it came to the m. Relatively more affluent black community in Tulsa at the time because they were doing really well. They had the nice houses, they had the good businesses.

They, they had a great community going.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, I, I think that you can get in community as, as we’ve talked about, ethnic cartels in the past where you get you know, in trading and everything like that. And that was actually big, was in black communities of that period. I mean, that’s what Kwanza was about. Part of it is only buy from black businesses, right?

Like. Today we would have the same problem and black communities operated today the way that they operated historically, we’d be complaining about them the way we’re complaining about Indian communities today, right? Like they, they, they are hugely nepotistic in their hiring practices and take over companies and, and, and hire their own group over other groups and stuff like that, right?

Like, that’s not the complaints we have about, I think the, the black culture today, if it could go back to that complaint would be a lot happier. But the, but the point I’m making here. More broadly is a lot of [00:17:00] people, when people on the right say there were things about American culture in the 1950s that were better for everyone along some metrics, and we do need to reflect and look back at that.

They, they are horrified to consider this because then they might need to. Pull back some of the ways they’ve handled things like sexuality, the things they’ve handled, self-identity, the things they’ve handled, self-affirmation, even the ways they’ve handled cultural integration, right? Like I point out in other episodes, one of the reasons why you could have better interethnic harmony historically speaking, right, was because you had degrees of racism.

And, and prejudice. And when you had prejudice, what that meant is that communities had a reason to internally police themselves,

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: except when they felt that they were hugely more powerful than surrounding communities, as you might have had in like the Tulsa riots or something like that. Which is generally [00:18:00] intcom, communally.

You punish somebody who is acting in an inappropriate way. And you do this because. You don’t want prejudice to form against your community, right? You do not want the wider community. You do not want a mob to attack your community or something like that. And, and you see this within Irish immigrant communities.

You see this with an Italian, a huge part of what the mob of the Mafia did was intra community policing to try to. Lower the amount of negative stereotypes that were being built about these communities as lawless, et cetera, right. And you can go in our episodes or we, where we go over this, I think it’s the Indian episode, where we go deep into this concept with Indians going extinct due to low fertility rates.

Simone Collins: yes, yes, yes, yes.

Malcolm Collins: But anyway. To, to, to go further here. What does she then say? So the, the wider point I’m making here is this isn’t necessarily a bad thing and I agree with it, and I think it’s, and I can see why a leftist wouldn’t be able to admit it or engage with it with any degree of intellectual [00:19:00] maturity. Okay.

So how does she define populism? Right. She def scribes. Populism is a popular movement. A movement of the people. And she contrasts that with the neoliberalism of an individual like Biden. And I’m actually really surprised by this because I’m surprised that she’s willing to note this so blatantly and openly that one of the things that.

What MAGA is does, or the thing that scares her about MAGA is that it appeals to popular sentiment and if you want to understand just how much she does not like or care about popular sentiment. In another video, she goes on about how you only need 3.5% of the population to enact a regime change.

Speaker 5: But the reality is you only need 3.5%. What is 3.5% of the United States? It would be [00:20:00] about 11 million people. Change in societies is absolutely possible, and it happens all the time, but it requires a we, not an I, it’s possible. Don’t give

up.

Malcolm Collins: She wants the will of the minority to dominate public opinion.

Right, and, and internally she doesn’t feel any cognitive dissonance when she thinks this because she does, as you know, many leftists do sees the average American, and we’ll get more into her views. ‘cause I think there was an instance where she talks about when she felt unsafe. Actually I’ll just get into it right now.

She sees the average American as dangerous and lesser and something that she shouldn’t even need to like. Consider the desires the state of the whims of, she never in any of her videos, seems to care about rural people. She never cares about people from any population that’s not her own. She is only able to see them as a [00:21:00] threat and dehumanizing.

So a great example of this is she was going to go to a trans, like wedding, like pre-wedding party or something like that, like a wedding shower, I think at a park. Okay.

Simone Collins: Right. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Charlie Kirk’s assassination happens

Simone Collins: Sure.

Malcolm Collins: a right wing group decides to organize a Charlie Kirk memorial

Simone Collins: Okay,

Malcolm Collins: the same park. Okay. At, at around the same time.

Simone Collins: inconvenient.

Malcolm Collins: So she, well, hold on. She then, and, and this is the video where she is crying. She is mortified. She is scared to death. In this instance, right? So she does a video, and this is from her own perspective, okay? She calls the Charlie Kirk organizers and explains the scenario, okay, what do the people do? They go, oh, fine, we’ll, we’ll change the time that we’re doing the event.

They, they just change the time. They change it to later in the day to 8:00 PM which is late [00:22:00] too, right? Like they’re being very kind about this. She and her friends then go to this event, and of course some people show up early. How does she describe them? She describes them as wearing MAGA hats and white males, and some of them are muscular now.

None of them harass her group. None of them talk to her group. None of them engage with her group. What does her group do? Well, her partner, who she sees as very, a very brave woman, a very non passing woman as she puts it I guess it’s butch, lesbian or something like that goes up and starts harassing the Charlie Kirk Memorial people.

Simone Collins: oh.

Malcolm Collins: Now she notes that they don’t do anything to her. They don’t attack her friend. They don’t get in some heated argument or anything. I think they just tried to diffuse it. They’re over there at a memorial because somebody died. Okay? And her [00:23:00] and her side sees white males, and this is all they can think is that these people must want to eradicate me, must want to harm me, must want to be actively antagonistic to me.

Speaker 3: , the couple got wind that Charlie Kirk supporters were going to had decided to schedule a vigil for Charlie Kirk,

move it back. And they did. They moved it back to 8:00 PM but we’re at this event, right? And um, we’re having a good time. It’s really cute. It’s fun. We’re playing games, but MAGA folks start showing up. Not a lot, but big, burly white men. My girlfriend, who’s one of the bravest people I know, um, very visibly queer, uh, would approach these folks and be like, Hey, this is a private event.

Your event has been scheduled for later tonight. And thankfully nothing happened, but I [00:24:00] and my girlfriend and other people were on high alert the entire time

Malcolm Collins: and I think that this does a broader job of understanding why she fled America. Because if you are, I can understand why some people, if you’re a Jew in America right now and you’re like, I don’t feel safe anymore, I f*****g get that.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I, I, I,

Simone Collins: you go aside, I mean,

Malcolm Collins: Israel, Israel.

Simone Collins: Well, oh, that’s constantly being bombed by people who hate Jews. I, I don’t know

Malcolm Collins: Israel will sort that out. Okay. As soon as Europe crashes and goes away, which is happening and as America becomes more right-leaning Israel will handle Israel’s little problem. Okay.

Simone Collins: Little problem.

Malcolm Collins: look, I just wanna point out Israel has held back. . Less civilians died in Gaza than died in the recent Iran government crackdown.

Right. Of their own people. And, and the leftists, they’re not talking about this ‘cause no Jews, no news. They don’t care. They didn’t care about minorities, they didn’t care about Muslims.

Simone Collins: It’s fewer. When [00:25:00] it’s water or something uncountable, it’s less

Malcolm Collins: Okay. The point being is, is, they just, they, they understand that ultimately the iteration of the Jews that are going to survive is gonna be much more aligned with the American right wing ethos. They may not be the same as us, but they’re more aligned with us than they are with the, and here I’m talking about like Orthodox Jews and stuff like this.

Now there’s some groups of them that are dangerous and parasitic that we’ve seen, especially in, in the United States, welfare, milking, stuff like that. And we’ve gotta handle stuff like this. You know, we’ve gotta have the ability to say like, let’s handle this. And I think most Jewish Americans will say the same thing.

You know, you look at somebody like Knox watching the takedown of, of like the videoing of those communities and he’s like, yeah, we, we need to handle these communities. Right. You know? Mm-hmm. And he even had a family member die in the attacks. In, in Israel, right? But anyway, point being there’s groups that I can see being afraid in the United States.

If I was an illegal immigrant in the United States, even though I wasn’t an illegal immigrant, even if I was like a regular immigrant and I was in a community that was being heavily targeted by ice, [00:26:00] I could see myself being worried. Right? Oh, a trans person in la no effing way. You are not at risk.

Okay.

Simone Collins: that is one of the safe spaces. Well, I mean, in so far as Los Angeles is a safe place. I mean, you’ve got skid row, you’ve got a big homeless problem,

Malcolm Collins: She, she wasn’t just in la she describes herself as living in a college town, I guess near la. So she described herself as in a blue spot in a sea of red. If you’re in a college town, you are fine. She basically. Showed herself as being incapable of living in a country with white men. That is what terrified her.

That is what kept triggering her, where otherwise she’s very sane. ‘cause we’re gonna, we’re gonna go over more of her stuff and you’ll hear that she is a, a lucid person other than her intense bigotry and misogyny and, and I, I’d say a misogyny that hurts her, like you and I, we don’t like go to bed shivering about like the leftists, whatever, right?

Like, I, I don’t. Cry about seeing a leftist or a trans person at a thing. I don’t I [00:27:00] might be like, oh, this is, this is diabolical that they’re like at a book reading or something like that. Like, what, what is this about? Why are you dressed in a clearly sexualized display? Right? Like see our episode about that.

But you. And, and we’re gonna be putting together episode lists. If you have any ideas about episode lists you want. ‘cause people keep requesting us, put together better episode tags and I’ll do it, but I need to know all the types of episodes you guys want tagged. But anyway leftist, leftist, leftist.

Yeah, we don’t, we don’t like, and I don’t know any right person who does, like, they don’t react in this visceral way. I’ll notice some seem to react a little hyperbolically to minorities and Jewish populations, the ones who freak out more about that. But it’s not in like this cry way, it’s in this weird conspiracy theory way, which I don’t think is healthy, but it’s at least vitalistic.

Thoughts Before I go further, Simone?

Simone Collins: I don’t know. I, I find this all, even at this point, hard to care about. I’m just so. [00:28:00] Like, I don’t care about these populations because they’re not going to, they’re, they’re, they’re themselves from an agency standpoint, from a mattering standpoint, and I understand that that’s probably incorrect given the political influence that this contingent still seems to have.

But I guess, I think along a longer time stick scale. So I’m like, why should I care? Just give it time. They’re gonna be gone. But am I wrong?

Malcolm Collins: They are eventually, they, they could do a lot of damage before they’re gone. They will try to capture power when they realize they can’t win elections anymore, they will put things in place. No. Even, look, I’m gonna be honest, the right would probably do this if we were going to lose power forever as well, right?

Like if, if the demographics were really that far against us right. With them as they realize that, I mean, this is what you see, this, this fighting to not have any voter ID at all. And now they’re lying. They’re saying that you need, like your birth certificate. No, it’s a, it is a driver’s [00:29:00] license.

Okay. Like. Minorities have driver’s license. The only reason you wouldn’t want a driver’s license, and I saw a really good take down by the Nick, you know, the great reporter. He goes and showed a UPS store. Yeah.

That had 10.

Simone Collins: Oh

Malcolm Collins: People registered to vote at it and one of them was over a hundred years old, like clearly fake voters like this is happening.

Right. And Elon discovered a ton of them when he was going through the the, the roles. Like, we know this is happening now, we’re just not supposed to talk about it. Right. And it’s something that I think that there’s no other like. No legitimate other reason, unless you thought that like black people were idiots, that you would say that they can’t like go to A DMV and get a driver’s license, right?

Like that’s clearly not what this is about. So why are they fighting for this? Because they know that once we get the redistricting of 2030, it’s gonna be very hard for them to win anymore, but they’re gonna become more radical. I mean, as we’ve seen, there have been, I think it’s what, four? Trans people have killed,

I think four x the number of people in the past [00:30:00] two years that ICE has killed.

So Eve, we are specifically here talking about the number of people. Each group has shot or innocent people. Each group has shot. , In terms of trans shootings, we have August 20, 25 Minneapolis in which two children were shot during a church service, , before the trans individual killed themselves. So that three people, , then Tumblr Ridge, British Columbia, you had, .

Five students and one teacher. So seven victims, and then the perpetrator, so eight, so we’re already at 11. , And then, , Pawtucket, Rhode Island in 2026. , You had, , , his wife and well her, let’s get the gender correct, her wife and child, , and then, , himself. So that’s another three. , And if you’re looking at ice, , in terms of.

Shootings, at least you have the two, , that everyone’s aware of. , And then maybe like five or six more. It’s, it’s difficult to tell from the way that the, , data is collated here. Anyway.

Malcolm Collins: [00:31:00] Like if, if we’re talking about like who’s actually at risk and the trans community, we’ll have an episode on this eventually. ‘cause I’ve covered it in some other episodes. I really wanna break down the statistics because. They do a good job of like capturing every trans person killed in the United States, right?

Because they wanna do like Trans Remembrance Day. If you contrast that with the list of the percent of trans people in the United States, what you’ll see is trans people are like, I think the, actually least at threat demographic in all of America. They’re. Odds of being killed aggressively is insanely low.

And then when you consider that the vast majority at 70% of trans people who are killed are black, right? You can say, okay, if we take the black trans population out, which is the minority of the trans community anyway how likely are you to be killed if you are a white trans person?

If you wanna get the exact numbers here,

. According to the advocates for Trans Equality, , the 2025 Remembrance report, there were 27 violence trans deaths in the year of 2025. , And this was also backed up by the Human Rights Campaign, the HRC. [00:32:00] Now, if you contrast that with the number of trans people in the United States, that means that they have a 76% lower homicide rate than the general population.

Now, have you removed the 63%? , That, that were black, that that happened to, that leaves only 10 white transgender people who were killed violently in 2025. , And that puts them at 70% lower than even the white specific homicide rate. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: It’s like literally you’re living in the matrix where you can like bend around bullets.

You are so unlikely to be killed. And there’s actually a mystery around that. I wanna dig into why that is. But it’s just demonstrably true if you look at these records, right? And they’ll go on reaches when they’re trying to decide who counts as trans for these records, as anyone knows, right? So like the fact that even with these reaches.

They still appear to be so low at risk and yet such a risk to other people. Again, if you look at the trans population and their rate of mass shooting versus other populations, I’ll, I’ll put the statistics here. It’s just insane.

Malcolm Collins (2): But [00:33:00] if you just look at the rate of trans mass shooters you get , per million, 1.759 mass shooters, 1.79. If you look at cis women, it’s 0.024. If you look at cis males, it’s 0.27. So the rate that a trans person becomes a mass shooter is literally 700% the rate that a man becomes a mass shooter.

No, these stats were from an episode we did before the two recent trans mass shooting events. And I always wonder, like during that episode when people are like, no, this isn’t true, or this is a historic blip, and then there are multiple additional trans mass shooting incidents. After, after we report this, do they think, do they like go back and be like, oh, maybe I was wrong, or they just blind when this stuff happens? I don’t, I don’t understand. Because when most of the quote unquote papers came out debunking that trans people made up a disproportionate amount of mass shooters when contrasted with their percent of the population, , most of those came out before the most recent trans mass shootings.

So do they [00:34:00] update based on that or are they just like, no, this is fact now.

Malcolm Collins: She goes, what we need is a narrative of who we are together who we are as a nation.

And it doesn’t have to be a bad narrative. It can be a big, expansive, wonderful one, but it’s not happening right now. There’s no narrative of unity. There’s just a narrative of white Christian nationalism on the right, but that narrative is flexible enough to create a big tent. That is why racial minorities can still find themselves supporting this because they still are able to see that they are being part of the hierarchy that is being defended.

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And I think that that’s, that’s something I don’t see for many people on the left. The noting the truth, which is that racial minorities, like the majority of Hispanic men, voted for Trump, right? Like the right is winning. And winning increasingly was racial minority groups. And part of the reason is, is because the left.

I think she’s wrong about this because she said that the, the right is [00:35:00] around this idea of white Christian nationalism, which is just functionally not true. If you look at the major factions of the right today, whether it’s the tech right, or the Jewish right, or the you know, there is a, a, christian nationalist.

Part of the right there is an ethno part of the right. There is a, like, just a based part of the right that’s into like what does a science actually say about things. There’s a part of the right that’s, you know, concerned about their cultures being infringed on by kids. There’s a Mormon part of the right, which is like a totally different it’s own thing.

And what we point out is what the right really is, is, is the left is incredibly. Monolithic it is about promoting the culture of the urban monoculture, and the right is everybody who wants to maintain cultural autonomy in the face of the urban monoculture, whether they are Amish or Orthodox Jews or weirdos like Elon or us or Mormons or, you know, you, you, you see this across the right.

There’s this very wide diversity, which is why people like us who would otherwise be considered so weird can find a place so healthily within [00:36:00] the modern right movement without being a tech, with being invited to.

Simone Collins: them find that that’s, that’s what unites them. And that’s where I think a lot of the nationalism that. The left sometimes called fascism comes from someone who listens to this podcast, pointed out that , the right’s version of the, the we’ll say colonizer’s flag.

The progress Pride flag is the American flag. The American flag is the progress, pride, flag of the right. And this person even shared this amazing clip, which I’d never seen before of.

Former Prime Minister of Germany, Angela Merkel being handed a, a German flag and like putting it back down and like giving this like sneering, shaky head look like, no, not gonna wave a flag.

I’m not gonna wave a German flag. You know, she wouldn’t do that if she was given a progress pride flag. just it’s, it’s interesting. But I think it’s, it’s a lot of it comes down to what it is you’re choosing to fight for. we all know that America [00:37:00] was founded on this promise of, well, it was founded on Christian values, not a Christian state, but Christian values

Malcolm Collins: Well, products and values, I do not like the people. It was, it was founded specifically in reaction to Canada, allowing Catholics to vote, right? Like,

Simone Collins: Protestant values and.

The ability to practice religion freely, that was crucial. and that was, that’s what, that’s what United Americans was, this freedom to do it. Whereas what’s really interesting about progressivism as we know it today. Is, it’s really no.

Here’s this specific ideological subset. It’s very caliphate based. we will not stop until everyone holds this one cultural set of values. This one religion, which we will then impose on everyone. And this determines how you live your life privately, not just how we, we run the country tree.

Malcolm Collins: But what I wanna highlight here is, is, is, is, let’s look at the final thing that she talks about here. Nationalism, right? Like loving your country, right? [00:38:00] Nationalism should not be a problem for anyone. Like nationalism is just like a net good for society.

Simone Collins: I mean, you, you won’t see, you won’t see a leftist wave. The American flag. The American flag is, is now conservative coded, which is insane.

Malcolm Collins: Well, and it’s not just the American flag, it’s any flag, but this is in part

Simone Collins: Yeah. Look at the

Malcolm Collins: the German.

Simone Collins: like the,

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: jack is like, whoa. Watch

Malcolm Collins: Because they do, they, it is an occupation, right? Like the only time you ever see people afraid or being banned from raising their own flag is when you’re occupied by a foreign power. And the reason why they are afraid of this is they represent this foreign power that is represented by the colonizer’s flag, the the progress pride flag.

And that is why she’s afraid of this. But I’m trying to understand like why she, why she can’t see this. So she looks at, because she says a bunch of things that are true and then says, and the the right is white Christian nationalists, which they just aren’t. That’s a, that’s a very small, small faction of the right.

Not really particularly well represented in the White House or in any [00:39:00] position of power that I’ve seen. So, which is overwhelmingly gay. There was a funny New York Times article where like, they, there were conservative women who were like, oh, now we’re getting the Trump White House in everyone.

I’m gonna be able to hook my, my girls up with some good guys. And she goes, and then they were all gay because they don’t understand, you know, that’s this.

Simone Collins: something like In The New York Times, Trump’s Big Gay White House, something like that.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And it’s true. You know, we don’t, like, I, I go to a White House meeting and it’s like. There’s a lot of gay people in the, in the Trump White House. But the point being okay is why can’t they see this? So I’m trying to see how she strings together a bunch of true things that I agree with.

Most people on the right are nationalistic, right? I think very few people in the right do not want America to do well. They are nationalistic because they are okay. You know, even if they’re a Jew in America, they understand, for example, not all dudes, some are like actual Israel first. But many understand that want to be in, and the ones who are actually Israel first are being kicked outta the right coalition as we’re seeing, as we’re seeing was like Ben Shapiro being like, Nope, get to the curb.

Like he’s [00:40:00] lost a lot of his cachet because he, he was taking in Israel first position. And the other ones who are like, I understand as a minority was in America. I can be proud of what America represents and I can. Work for my community by trying to remove things like the weird alphabet soup stuff from school curriculum.

The brainwashing from that, both of us can agree we don’t want our kids doing that and support an American first ideology while being a subgroup within America. And I think America culturally uniquely allows for that. And a lot of people, like in the uk right, like, aria Babu, who’s, who’s very on the right and is Indian, she’s able to promote a Britain first ideology in her writings despite being Indian, right?

Like she’s able to be like, Hey, we do need to go back to what Britain used to mean because that was clearly better than whatever it means under the colonizer’s boot, right? But she sees this and, and so I agree with that. I agree with populism. Yeah, we should do what the people want, right? Like why, why is that so scary to leftists?

Unless they [00:41:00] hate the people? We should have this rebirth myth if things in the past were doing better, was in many metrics. And, and she’s able to string these together to then, and this is where the shell game happens with her to white Christian nationalism, because in her mind, America historically.

Was a white Christian nationalist country when the reality is significantly more complex than that. And what we are going back to is closer to what America was historically, Reed Albion Seed, which was an extremely diverse group of Protestants, largely speaking. And, and that’s what we haven’t been able to go back to.

While I would like to go back to that, a, a, a very diverse group. Of people who want to preserve their cultural autonomy working together to make the country wealthy and successful. And being aware that that means you might need to keep out specific other groups that don’t work well together with this diverse cultural alliance.

You know, you can have a diverse cultural alliance [00:42:00] that can still be like, well, when people come from this one group, they do not add to our economy. Right? Like they are. Statistically a net negative to our society, and therefore, which they said in the colonial period that was very well understood in the colonial period.

That was very well understood in early America. You know, you, you don’t just let any

Simone Collins: of it.

Malcolm Collins: group in, right? Like you, you’ve gotta, you’ve gotta be aware that some groups are going to make things worse for everyone. And, and, and that doesn’t mean that these groups can’t stay in their own countries.

Simone Collins: To give you an example and this is just among the same. Ancestral group Puritans didn’t like, like colonial Puritans did not like the idea of families bringing over servants because they, they weren’t, you know, self-sufficient enough. It was, it was looked down upon, like, what are you doing, bringing in this less productive person or something, you know, like less educated, less

Malcolm Collins: What, and they also understood keep. And this is, I think one of the things [00:43:00] that has, has, has damaged America the most. The idea of cultural tribalism. If you move to a backwoods region or you move to a Puritan region, or you move to a Quaker region, or you move to a Cavalier region, you understood that you were a guest living in a separate, dominant cultural region, and those regions didn’t have the need to integrate with each other outside of in Congress when they would get in fights anyway, you know?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

The days. It’s funny how each group kind of had its own way of kind of insisting on only the strongest like the, the, the, the process of inden, practicing indentured servitude the more southern colonies where basically just most would die anyway.

Malcolm Collins: It was, it was seven in 10 was in some periods, so an enormous amount.

Simone Collins: like, you’re not welcome at all, or like, yeah, sure. You’re welcome if you can survive as I continually try to kill you. ‘cause I don’t wanna pay you the land that I’m gonna have to owe you

Malcolm Collins: She’d gone over another episodes. Yeah.

Simone Collins: [00:44:00] Goodness.

Malcolm Collins: to pay if they survive. Not, not a good system.

Simone Collins: No. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: But the point being, yeah, and the puritans were just like extremely strict about who could come in and then the backwards people just killed who, whoever.

Simone Collins: Oh yeah. The back would just like. Again, you, you can stay. If you can survive. We’re having a great time here.

Malcolm Collins: But they didn’t, they didn’t bring in many indentured. I don’t think they brought in any indentured servants.

Simone Collins: existed, but it was just like people who opted into it and

Malcolm Collins: It was the PVP server.

Simone Collins: Yes. It was very much the PVP server.

Malcolm Collins: It was, it was America. I, well, yeah, we should do more stuff on this because I actually wanna go more into the culture of, of where they came from and this great erasure of them from American history where a lot of Americans today who think that they’re Irish are not Irish, they’re Scot’s Irish, which I’ve described as a bit like you hear, oh, my ancestors, were Cobra eating mongoose, therefore I am a Cobra.

And it’s like. No, they were Cobra Eating Mongooses. The Scots Irish were specifically a group that constantly was at [00:45:00] war with the Irish and hated the Irish. They were not the Irish, but over time by the way, if you’re wondering, and you, if your family says that you are Irish, okay and they were Presbyterians or Protestants or.

We’re from a, like anywhere in the south or West Virginia, or really anywhere but New England. They were probably not Irish. They were Scot’s Irish. Irish populations really only settled in large numbers in historic. Now, if you look at graphs of like people who identify as Irish, you will see them in the south and in the, the Greater Appalachian region and in Texas.

But they didn’t really migrate to those regions. Those are people misremembering. They, they, some uneducated person heard from their parents that they were Scots Irish. They didn’t know what that meant. They knew the word Irish. They heard about all these Irish immigrants, and so they assumed they were Irish.

But culturally they could not be more distinct. And that’s, we should, yeah, that should be one of the things that we have episodes on any final thoughts, Simone?[00:46:00]

Simone Collins: I feel like we’re gonna have to throw out the word fascism because it doesn’t mean anything anymore. Every time we talk about it, the definition’s slightly different. I, I’m giving up on it, declaring bankruptcy on the word.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, I’m not saying that her definition is good, but I am saying, I’m trying to understand how the left could conceivably see Trump as anything like fascist. And I agree with these three similarities. Nationalist,

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Rebirth and Populist. The problem is, is all those three things are broadly good things to any sane person.

Simone Collins: So there, there are good things when population. things that you care about. There are good things when the rebirth is a change that you want. Right? And, and, and when that you, when you have pride for your in-group, the far left have pride for the in-group Malcolm?

Malcolm Collins: No they don’t.

Simone Collins: left want significant change? [00:47:00] I mean, I, I just don’t see, I don’t see it. I, I, why?

Malcolm Collins: You’re right.

Simone Collins: All version by every definition of this. Yes, of course we like it because we want change. We like America and we like Americans and, and we like the what, you know, what America is. But they, they don’t there’s a, a distinct lack of pride. I mean, and, and this is something that’s been around for a very long time, right.

I was educated. In very progressive circles and you were the first person I ever met who was like, no, actually America’s great. Like I was just so used to,

Malcolm Collins: What did you think when I told you that? Because I remember you were quite shocked and I was like, let’s go to like a drive-in movie.

Simone Collins: Nice. I didn’t like growing up feeling ashamed of my country, but my understanding was the only thing to say or imply in polite discourse was shame in America. Like, oh, I’m, you know, I’m, of course America has terrible education system and you know, vis-a-vis other countries. Of course it does have a terrible education system, but every country does ‘cause it’s legacy

Malcolm Collins: Not [00:48:00] higher education, not the education that matters.

Simone Collins: Yeah. But anyway, like I’m ashamed of our like uniquely stupid education system and our uniquely stupid students and we’re so fat and we’re so racist and we did so many bad things and what a terrible country we are. And like that was not very, that was not very fun. You know, it’s not fun to be ashamed of your in-group. when you were like, no. Actually, when you look at brass tacks, our education system compared to those of other ed country’s education systems, we’re doing pretty great. And when you look at all these other measures, America’s really great and I’m like, oh, like makes sense when you look at a lot of other measures.

I think one of the reasons why it feels uniquely bad to be ashamed of being an American, aside from the fact that it sucks to be ashamed of who you are, is the fact that there’s a lot of cognitive dissonance of that. Of like you feel ashamed, but like. It’s kind of weird that also America has such a dominant role in American GeoPoll or in in global geopolitics and

Malcolm Collins: And life’s quality here is so much better

Simone Collins: Yeah. And, [00:49:00] and technology. Like, huh? Like America’s a big leader in all these things, but it’s the worst. But then how is it the big leader? Oh, I don’t know. Like systemic racism? Globalism something.

Malcolm Collins: Colonialism, even though America wasn’t a colonial power.

Simone Collins: yeah,

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, like America’s on the top because of colonialism. And I’m like, where are all of America’s colonial holdings? They’re like the Philippines. I’m like, oh yeah. We really made a lot of money off of the Philippines,

Simone Collins: It is

Malcolm Collins: Puerto Rico. That’s been a ca that’s been a ca Cash machine for America.

Simone Collins: Puerto Rico. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Or they’ll be like, well, slaves built America. And I go, actually, the regions in America with slavery were hugely economically held back and were significantly less economically developed in the regions that didn’t have slavery. And when slavery ended, they economically grew a ton.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Slavery was like, you’re literally arguing for slavery.

If you’re saying slavery is an economic system that is beneficial to a region, right? Like,

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: but it’s not it. It’s not, if anything. [00:50:00] I’m, I’m gonna be spicy here. The slaves owe us reparations ‘cause they held back our economy for so long.

Simone Collins: Oh God. didn’t choose to do it, so that doesn’t work,

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, well, I mean, neither did the vast majority of white people who didn’t own slaves and were economically disadvantaged because of slaves.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: if you are a. 90% of the population living in the south during industrial slavery you looked at the slaves. The way people today look at immigrants who get paid less for labor that they should be getting paid for, right?

Like they, they were being economically disadvantaged by this system.

Simone Collins: I mean, that’s one way of putting it.

Malcolm Collins: I, I, I know. It’s, it’s, it’s, I think that we’ve had to, and it was a, a not uncommon sentiment among poor people in the South going into the Civil War. You know, I’ve pointed out that my ancestors who formed like the Jayhawks in the free state of Jones one of my ancestors specifically coin the term, it’s a, it’s a rich man’s [00:51:00] war in a poor man’s fight, right? Like, they’re like, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t want to die in a war so you can get rich selling your cotton. You know, like that’s, that’s the way that, that was a a system that disenfranchised ironically the, the white people as well, you know, so we’re, we’re their reparations.

Like, when you begin to talk about all this, it just gets ridiculous, you know? And obviously I’m, I’m, I’m being tongue in cheek when I’m saying this stuff, it’s, is a joke. Okay. But I’m just, you know, playing with facts and what we know about history and I, I do find that, I remember you on this day where I took you to drive-in movie and it was like the most Americana thing because we went to like a rural area and I don’t think you’d been to like a rural area before.

And everyone had their American flags and everybody had tons of kids.

Simone Collins: areas before, just not something wholesome and cute like that. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Well, you’d been for progressive things like whitewater rafting and stuff, not for like.

Simone Collins: Whitewater rafting is not necessarily [00:52:00] progressive, but yeah. Anyway. Yeah. I hadn’t been to a rural outdoor film viewing.

Malcolm Collins: And it was really wholesome. And I remember you were like, Malcolm, this is like shockingly whole. Is this what like, rural Americans are like, they’re like a bunch of kids running around playing and giggling and everybody’s sitting outside their car like barbecuing, like. And I don’t notice any of the ethnic minorities look scared.

They seem to be having a fun time too. Is this what America’s always been about? And I was like, yeah, it’s pretty awesome. Right?

Simone Collins: Yeah. Well, and that’s to put it into context. I spend most of my time during weekdays and weekends hanging out around Oakland or San Francisco where there’s. There are higher rates of crime, there’s lots of homelessness, and so that just, it you, you don’t let kids run around outside. You can’t because it’s not safe.

That’s just tough.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, you, you, you might have a tire fire with a bunch of homeless people, but you know, which by the way costs $175,000 a year in California. But you don’t [00:53:00] have people outside a barbecue cooking up hot dogs and burgers

Simone Collins: Yeah. Which is delightful.

Malcolm Collins: anyway. I love you Simone. I, I, I, we should do another episode. I gotta remember to do this episode because I have a meaning to do it on the li

On the lie that America doesn’t have a culture and it’s just like stolen culture from other places.

Simone Collins: Oh, please. Everyone knows American culture is iconic. You know that a culture is real when there’s a Japanese stereotype of it, or like a Japanese caricature of it in that greaser character. So both, al, which sort of became guru and then later whatever guru became was from Southern California. Girl stereotyping the, the fifties greaser stereotype. And Japan is, is based on, you know, American culture stereotypes. So, you know, American culture is real. If there’s a, a Japanese stereotype of it

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Yeah.

Simone Collins: refute that.[00:54:00]

Malcolm Collins: Bye bye.

Simone Collins: enough there. of an argument. It’s not like America is just made up of appropriation.

Malcolm Collins: not just that, the argument that people often use without realizing how racist this argument is, is they’ll be like, well, like burgers and hot dogs are based on things that were originally invented in other countries, therefore they’re not part of American culture. And I was like if you start taking all the things that were invented in America and say that they’re not part of another culture,

on. He gets ramen. Ramen was invented in America, right? That now, now, now nothing with ramen is Japanese. All of that. We get a claim, all of that. Oh, what else was invented in America? Spam. How many ethnic cuisines are based around spam? You’ve now pissed off the Koreans. You’ve pissed off basically every eastern island country because all of their cultures have a main dish based on spam.

You like the number of places that are now, wait. America gets to claim all of our spam based dishes. You know, you, you don’t get to do this, right? You gotta [00:55:00] be honest, which is to say that historically the culture that a food comes from, I would never go to Japan and have the gall to say that because Americans invented ramen and exported ramen to Japan and gave it to you with war rations.

And that’s why it became popular that it’s an American dish, right? Like, a Japanese person would rightly be like, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And you as an American should be saying that when people tell you stuff about, you know, American culture. So anyway, love you

Simone Collins: I love you too. You gorgeous creature. You are fantastic, and I’m

Malcolm Collins: and I’m so glad we’re not these people. Half this woman’s videos are just her crying about.

Simone Collins: It’s not a happy

Malcolm Collins: Feeling persecuted about feeling like they started like checking, like carry on stuff for the flight. And she thought this was, I don’t know, trying to check if she had some sort of like hormone shots or something for transness ‘cause they were gonna arrest her.

Speaker 7: open seats. Just take that first available overhead bin space.

Malcolm Collins: [00:56:00] I, I don’t know. But she’s like in the airport panicking. And it’s like, this is just like normal life stuff, but it’s this weird conspiratorial mindset where everything’s against you and it slowly erodes you.

Simone Collins: how like young teenage women have this deep desire to be, wanted to be desired, to be pursued. and perhaps one reason why the progressive far left mindset appeals to women and especially young women is. It’s very easy to cross wires with a feeling of persecution and being desired, right?

They’re coming for me versus they want me. Could be kind of like if you blurry your eyes enough, you can kind of feel half the feeling or pretend that you’re feeling the

Malcolm Collins: Well, we’ve done other episodes where I actually argue, I argue something quite different from that. I’d argue that women have an innate desire to feel persecuted. And when they do not feel an external threat to them, they invent one. And.

Simone Collins: yeah. Or one of, you know, where we talk about how useful it was that [00:57:00] and everyone else dealt with deep hardship at some period in their lives. And if they don’t, then they start craving dystopias.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. The, the, this is the episode that we did there. Some things like your ancestors lived in a dystopia. Which is to say that most female lives throughout history would have been dystopian by modern understandings, and yet they were happier for it. Females happiness has only gone down since the 1970s.

And so the question is, is why, and I think it’s because you, you even see this within modern communities where wealthier girls who live in the suburbs. Are much less happy than poorer girls who live in urban centers. And it’s because they, I think, feel more rightly discriminated against and, and when they have a real threats to their lives, women are just happier.

Simone Collins: Didn’t they have a word for that affluent?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well this woman is the, the craziest case of affluence I’ve ever seen. And everyone’s like, you know, you could’ve chosen not to move to Vancouver. Literally the most expensive part of Canada. Right.

Simone Collins: Oh, I know. It’s supposed to be very pretty though. It’s

Malcolm Collins: It is very pretty. I’ve been there. I love it. Great city. Great parks.[00:58:00]

Simone Collins: Oh, well, at least the Chinese have it now,

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, right. There’ll be a Chinese outpost soon.

Simone Collins: yeah,

Malcolm Collins: I think we need to take Canada. I think Trump is wrong on this green lysing. If I was president right now,

Simone Collins: the rest of Canada can

Malcolm Collins: we want Alberta and Saskatchewan

Simone Collins: Saskatchewan. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: do that we want, so we get.

Simone Collins: it.

Malcolm Collins: Alberta and Saskatchewan. I’m good on that. That’s, that’s everything of Balu in Canada. Leave them with the coast. China can, can take that. And you know, Canada’s disproportionately unli white people, we should probably do an episode on that with

Simone Collins: terms

Malcolm Collins: main program

Simone Collins: Yeah, they’re mostly white. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: because in Canada territories can just vote themselves out of Canada.

And if the United States was willing to take them and we would that would be pretty good.

Simone Collins: pretty cool.

Malcolm Collins: Love you.

Simone Collins: we’ll see then. I love you too.

Malcolm Collins: See you got you. Your early dinner.

Simone Collins: Yeah, well actually now I have to handle a wire transfer for [00:59:00] Travel Max and

Malcolm Collins: Oh, I’m sorry.

You have to get mouth surgery, which you’re not at all excited about.

Simone Collins: live off of popcorn. How do I not eat food knives for a hundred billion years? AKA two weeks at least. I’m not being tortured with a power drill. That’s that’s nice. You gotta be thankful every day you’re not torture, tortured with a power drill.

Malcolm Collins: All right. And when you do my curry tonight I’d add, well, it depends. You know, take an eye of what type of curry you is and think, think what it probably needs. Does it need sandal? Lic? Does it need hoist and sauce? These are two easy ones.

Simone Collins: you don’t take an eye, you take a whiff. And you

Malcolm Collins: And you take away

Simone Collins: what does

Malcolm Collins: is, what is this? What would this.

Simone Collins: samba ole is like, do you need a little twang and glitter? But then like, with hoist and sauce, do you need a little like, undercurrent? You [01:00:00] know

Malcolm Collins: Yes.

Simone Collins: this whole

Malcolm Collins: You know, you know what’s up Simone?

Simone Collins: about it. I know all about

Malcolm Collins: so glad we live in the, the world of, of multiple multicultural food types, right? Like,

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So many fun options. And tonight burning through that curry,

Simone Collins: It’s

Malcolm Collins: backlog.

Simone Collins: The, yeah, the selection of gourmet foods that await for you in our deep freezer that I’ve frozen in chunks using those giant square ice cube trays, your

Malcolm Collins: Yesterday you did for the first time. Reheating. We gotta tell our audience about this.

Simone Collins: yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Because we tried it and we wasn’t sure it would reheat well, but look up recipes if you like dumplings and you’re just like, but I can never cook dumplings. ‘cause you know, it takes so long, you’ve gotta do the thing.

Lasagna dumplings. Okay. So they basically cook dumplings using a lasagna like format. So you can just lay the layers down and it is spectacular. It’s as good as any dumpling I’ve ever had. [01:01:00] You actually get a better proportion of wrapper. To meat, then you do even with dumplings, because then you’re not trying to like, okay, how do I cut this in thirds?

Or, you know, like, for, for small. But no, it’s perfectly done. One thing I’d suggest, so if you do it is the chili oil. Put that on as a topping at the end, not as an ingredient when you’re making it. I think it works much better that way.

Simone Collins: Yeah, ‘cause some recipes call for it. And specifically what we did, ‘cause most recipes, I think, call for it to be done in like a big. Tray, like, you know, like a lasagna pan. What I did that, but I also did ramekins, small ramekins

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: Which is great because you can pop however many ramekins you, ramekins you want in a steamer basket. and then just steam it until the internal temperature reads one 60 or higher you’re done. It’s great. And what I did was I just froze after wrapping in. Plastic [01:02:00] wrap, not touching any of the food, of course, in our deep freezer. And so I just was able to take it out and put it in a seamer and there was no additional prep needed.

And I love advanced meal prep. It’s so wonderful.

Malcolm Collins: Well, it took you a long time to make those. I know you put a lot of effort in.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I, I, I am sorry for the thousand yard stare.

Simone Collins: I just wanna go to sleep. go to sleep soon. All

Malcolm Collins: Okay, then I’ll wrap this up. I’ll wrap this up first. Okay. I’ll, I’ll, I’ll be quick with this one. Okay.

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