The Art of Creative Process
The Science of Creativity
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In this episode of The Science of Creativity, Keith Sawyer speaks with psychologist and artist Aaron Kozbelt about what really drives creative achievement. Challenging the idea that creativity starts with a brilliant idea, Kozbelt argues that innovation often emerges from restructuring the creative process itself. Drawing on research in visual art and music, he explores how artists develop over time, why some creators peak early while others improve across decades, and how training—especially in drawing—changes perception. The conversation also examines whether originality is overrated and why patience, iteration, and engagement with tradition may matter more than radical novelty.
Key Takeaways
• Creativity is less about isolated ideas and more about reshaping process.
• Artists follow different developmental trajectories—some peak early, others gradually.
• Drawing training enhances perceptual flexibility and attentional control.
• Enduring creative work often builds deeply on tradition rather than chasing novelty.
• Time and distance are powerful tools for evaluating creative work.
About Dr. Aaron Kozbelt
Dr. Aaron Kozbelt is a Professor of psychology at Brooklyn College, City University of New York. His research program, focusing on creativity and cognition in the arts, derives largely from his outside interests. In addition to his training in psychology, he has spent more than 20 years as a practicing visual artist, and his initial research forays grew directly out of his experiences as an artist. Kozbelt has also incorporated his long-standing interest in classical music into a line of archival research examining patterns of creativity over the lifespan of classical composers. More recently, he has started research on creative cognition, humor production and sexual selection, and metacognition and evaluation in creative problem solving.
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Music by license from SoundStripe:
- "Uptown Lovers Instrumental" by AFTERNOONZ
- "Miss Missy" by AFTERNOONZ
- "What's the Big Deal" by Ryan Saranich
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