Friendship and Dining Chemistry

Dave makes an incredibly unlikely dish for him to make: a casserole.

Dave has Oscar and Emmy-winning writer/director Cord Jefferson as his guest and makes chicken divan to try to bring him back to his childhood. The duo talk their recent trip to Las Vegas together, Cord's unusual route to where he is today, and their philosophies on failure and success.

They talk about maintaining a worldly curiosity, trying new things, and how learning what you don't like can be just as important as learning what you do, then finish with a MOIF about Vegas.

Follow Cord Jefferson on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cordjefferson/ 

Watch American Fiction: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt23561236/ 

Watch Mind of a Chef: https://www.pbs.org/show/mind-chef/ 

Watch Ugly Delicious: https://www.netflix.com/title/80170368 

Watch Gattaca: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119177/ 

Learn more about the book Animal Liberation by Peter Singer: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/animal-liberation-now-peter-singer

Learn more about Buffalo Exchange: https://buffaloexchange.com/ 

Watch Survivor's Remorse: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3231022/ 

Watch Master of None: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4635276/ 

Watch The Good Place: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4955642/ 

Watch Succession: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7660850/ 

Watch Watchmen: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7049682/ 

Watch Station Eleven: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10574236/ 

Watch Cord's Oscar speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEZz2dSXS0c 

Watch Leaving Las Vegas: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113627/ 

Watch Ocean's Eleven: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0240772/ 

Learn more about Range by David Epstein: https://davidepstein.com/range/

Host: Dave Chang

Guest: Cord Jefferson

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Dionte Mercado, Nikola Stanjevich, Samya McCoy, Michael Delgado

Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian

Editor: Jake Loskutoff

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