Selling The Vacation In Interviews

Jacob Warwick is an executive negotiation coach who helps senior operators negotiate better salary, equity, titles, and severance packages. He has worked with leaders across tech and Hollywood, was previously a founder and CEO himself, and has helped clients secure millions in additional compensation. His approach focuses on collaboration over confrontation, understanding motivations, and treating job searches like enterprise sales processes.

We discuss:

1. Why a simple “What’s the chance there’s a little more here?” often unlocks a 20% bump

2. Why Jacob sees 40% average movement when negotiations are run well

3. When negotiation actually starts (hint: it’s much earlier than you think)

4. Why information + timing create power

5. The biggest mistakes people make when negotiating

6. How to navigate the important “What’s your comp expectation?” question without anchoring too low

7. Why the best interviews feel more like discovery calls than interrogations

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Episode transcript: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-tactical-playbook-for-getting-more-comp

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Where to find Jacob Warwick:

• Substack: https://www.execsandthecity.com

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ExecsandtheCity

• Website: https://www.thinkwarwick.com

• Complete Job Search Course: https://www.execsandthecity.com/p/complete-job-search-course

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• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

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In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Introduction to Jacob Warwick

(04:12) How much comp people leave on the table

(07:52) Why you shouldn’t feel greedy asking for more

(09:45) What founders should know about negotiation

(13:03) How Jacob works behind the scenes

(15:35) The biggest mistakes people make when negotiating

(19:30) Home-field advantage and controlling the conversation

(23:02) The step-by-step approach to negotiating an offer

(30:17) Jacob’s passion and why these tips don’t work on kids

(32:04) Who should speak first about compensation

(35:36) Understanding power

(39:52) Breaking out of salary bands by focusing on pain points

(45:45) Brief summary

(47:20) Selling the vacation: How to visualize success

(50:07) Controlling the narrative and planting seeds

(59:01) Jacob’s role as hype man

(01:01:05) Positioning yourself like a product

(01:02:49) Making the process frictionless for hiring managers

(01:06:20) Flipping the interview to extract information

(01:12:17) Five tactical tips for negotiating comp

(01:21:45) What to do when negotiations fall apart

(01:25:05) Why negotiation is different for every individual

(01:28:55) Why outcomes aren’t predetermined

(01:32:52) Wild Hollywood negotiation stories

(01:37:35) The first step you should take after getting an offer

(01:40:30) Jacob’s personal mission

(01:44:42) Lightning round and final thoughts

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Referenced:

• The ultimate guide to negotiating your comp: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-ultimate-guide-to-negotiating

• Sam Altman on X: https://x.com/sama

• Tom Brady on X: https://x.com/TomBrady

• Career Huddle: Interview & Negotiation Master Class with Jacob Warwick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgjWTiSj8E8

• Salesforce: https://www.salesforce.com

• Julia Roberts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Roberts

• Matt Damon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Damon

• Steven Spielberg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Spielberg

• Marc Andreessen: The real AI boom hasn’t even started yet: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/marc-andreessen-the-real-ai-boom

• Chris Voss’s quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/10181396-remember-never-be-so-sure-of-what-you-want-that

• Chris Voss on X: https://x.com/fbinegotiator

• Werewolf: https://playwerewolf.co

• Modes of persuasion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modes_of_persuasion

• How to use tactical empathy: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/christophervoss_tacticalempathy-negotiation-customerexperience-activity-7361004118808670212-oeRy

• ZOPA, BATNA and Win-Win in Negotiation: https://www.parallelprojecttraining.com/blog/zopa-batna-and-win-win-in-negotiation

• Marvel: https://www.marvel.com

• Negotiation Made Simple podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2227030

• Luca on Disney+: https://www.disneyplus.com/browse/entity-f28b825f-c207-406b-923a-67f85e6d90e0

• Minuscule: https://www.youtube.com/user/Minuscule

• Claude Cowork: https://claude.com/product/cowork

• Macrofactor: https://macrofactor.com

• Whoop: https://www.whoop.com

• Gemini: https://gemini.google.com/app

• The Cody Dieruf Foundation: https://breathinisbelievin.org

• Cystic Fibrosis Foundation: https://www.cff.org

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Recommended books:

• Negotiation Games: https://www.amazon.com/Negotiation-Games-Routledge-Advances-Theory/dp/0415308941

• Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion: https://www.amazon.com/Influence-Psychology-Persuasion-Robert-Cialdini/dp/006124189X

• You Can Negotiate Anything: How to Get What You Want: https://www.amazon.com/You-Negotiate-Anything-Herb-Cohen/dp/0806541229

• Negotiation Made Simple: A Practical Guide for Solving Problems, Building Relationships, and Delivering the Deal: https://www.amazon.com/Negotiation-Made-Simple-Relationships-Delivering/dp/1400336325

• Radical Candor: Be a Kick-Ass Boss Without Losing Your Humanity: https://www.amazon.com/Radical-Candor-Kick-Ass-Without-Humanity/dp/1250103509

• High Output Management: https://www.amazon.com/High-Output-Management-Andrew-Grove/dp/0679762884

• How to Win Friends and Influence People: https://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671027034

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