Normalization and International Incentives

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A month of war is exhausting. But worse than the sirens, the sleepless nights, and the chaos is watching serious people say unserious things with total confidence.

In this episode of EylON the Record, Eylon Levy speaks with Shany Mor, former Israeli National Security Council official and academic, about the flood of bad analysis surrounding Israel’s war with Iran. They examine why so many commentators, diplomats, and self-described experts keep recycling arguments that collapse under basic scrutiny, from claims that Iran is somehow winning, to the idea that international law exists mainly to constrain Israel while shielding those attacking it. The conversation goes to the heart of a larger question: what happens when moral posturing replaces strategic thinking in the way the West talks about war, deterrence, and Israel’s right to defeat its enemies?

In this episode, we discuss:

•  Why the claim that striking terrorists only “creates more terrorists” is applied obsessively to Israel and almost nowhere else 
•  How “international law” is often invoked against Israel in ways that are incoherent, selective, and politically motivated 
•  Why ceasefire diplomacy so often freezes threats in place instead of removing them 
•  How fantasy narratives about the Iran deal, deterrence, and “forever wars” distort what Israel is actually facing 

This conversation goes beyond headlines and talking points. It is about whether democratic societies still know how to think seriously about war, victory, deterrence, and self-defense. If the West cannot distinguish between ending a threat and managing it forever, it will keep rewarding aggression and punishing those willing to confront it.

🎯 Key moment:
“People who make these big, empirically verifiable statements often count on us not going out and verifying them.”

🎙 Filmed at M10 Studios, Tel Aviv 

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