As a special treat for the audience, Raoul has decided to rerelease this chat with Michael Saylor, executive chairman of MicroStrategy, from September of 2020. Despite its age, this chat is as relevant today as it was five years ago. Raoul and Michael discuss the history of Bitcoin, Michael's journey to adopting it on the balance sheet, why more companies should follow suit, and much more. Recorded on September 18, 2020. 📣 *This episode is brought to you by Figure, the platform to Earn and Borrow.* Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Figure offers Crypto-Backed Loans, allowing you to borrow against your Bitcoin or Ethereum with 3-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 9.9%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event. Visit https://figure.com/realvision to apply for a Crypto Backed Loan today! Figure Lending LLC dba Figure. Equal Opportunity Lender. NMLS 1717824. Terms and conditions apply. Visit figure.com for more information.

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