On the campaign trail, President Trump promised to do away with the U.S. Department of Education, leaning on a Republican mantra that the federal government meddles too much in decisions that are better left to state officials. But a very different philosophy prevailed in Washington during the presidency of Joe Biden, who embraced student-debt relief as a key priority and leaned on the education department to execute a bold — if not always successful — agenda. In an exit interview with The Chronicle, the Biden administration’s under secretary of education, James Kvaal, reflects on the department’s work, its failures, and the future of Democratic higher-ed policy.

Closing the Department of Education? (4:16 - 7:25)
Biden and student-debt relief (7:25 - 11:14)
Is debt relief dead? (11:17 - 14:20)
FAFSA failure (14:55 - 22:45)
Public confidence in higher ed (22:46 - 23:56)
Abandoning college for all? (23:56 - 26:07)
Culture wars, discrimination, critiques of higher ed (26:08 - 31:32)

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