The Shamat Eight Years Later

Drew Harper: I've been wanting to have you on this podcast for many years now, so this is a long time coming. There's lots of like, you know, woke straight men with Planned Parenthood totes reading like Bill Bryson books; it's very bad. He says some conservative people may have thoroughly enjoyed the humanity of a gay man and had that make them laugh or feel good about themselves. "They're probably not conscious of it, but it exists within the world of their own yet," he says.