Intro

How did America manage to rescue two airmen after their plane was shot down over Iran?

In this bonus bank holiday episode, Venetia Rainey is joined by Jack Murphy, ex-US special forces who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, including as a Green Beret. He is now a journalist and military commentator and hosts The Team House national security podcast. He broke the story that the weapons systems officer (WSO) from the downed F-15E had been rescued alive after 36 hours stranded behind enemy lines.

Jack provides a unique insight into the dramatic double rescue mission - already being described as the most complex in American military history. He explains the initial search and rescue (CSAR) efforts, what the WSO would have been doing to survive on the ground, and why the US abandoned and blew up two multimillion-dollar aircraft at a remote desert airstrip.

Plus: what role is AI playing in the Iran war and beyond, in battlefields from Ukraine to Gaza? 

The US military increasingly relies on an AI decision support system called Maven to help with targeting, intelligence assessments and troop deployments. Israel and Ukraine use similar technology. Proponents of artificial intelligence argue it makes warfare faster and more efficient - giving the West a key battlefield advantage in a time of rising conflict. 

But critics say there are concerns over safety and low accuracy, and worry humans are increasingly being left out of the loop. Some of these concerns come from industry insiders such as AI company Anthropic, which is in a dispute with the Pentagon over the use of its system Claude for autonomous weapons. 

Venetia Rainey is joined by Adam Wishart, the filmmaker behind new Channel 4 documentary, Click to Kill: the AI War Machine, and Heidy Khlaaf, chief AI scientist at the AI Now Institute and previously at OpenAI. 

CONTRIBUTORS:

Venetia Rainey, co-host @venetiarainey

Jack Murphy, ex-special forces and host The Team House @JackMurphyRGR

Heidy Khlaaf, chief AI scientist AI Now Institute @HeidyKhlaaf

Adam Wishart, director Click to Kill: the AI War Machine @adam_wishart

CONTENT REFERENCED:

Click to Kill: the AI War Machine on Channel 4 

Producer: Rachel Porter

Executive Producer: Louisa Wells

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