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Making Sense of the UFO Hearing with Shane Harris

The Lawfare Podcast

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Grush's Secondhand Accounts of the TikTok Incident

John Avlon: I want to start with these eyewitness accounts actually first because we have gotten seen so much of the media coverage of this hearing. He says it's not just one individual, but there were three others that were flying at the time. And they describe what he describes as a small white TikTok shaped object with a kind of longitudinal axis moving abruptly over the water.Avlon: The culture among pilots is seeing strange objects in the sky and you'll tell them now for decades, commercial pilots will too.

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