After last week's "Another Spectre In The Shell" episode, we felt we needed a follow up! This week Kris is joined by returning co-host Jamie Tanna, with Ian arriving fashionably late. They pick apart the post-Mythos announcement hype cycle, cover counter-narratives from the security community, and examine why our supply chain is already so broken that more powerful LLM barely changes the threat model. The conversation builds toward Jamie's unpop: "a little copying is better than a little dependency" is wrong, we should have more dependencies and then into practical supply chain defense. The episode closes on an infinite-mindset note: supply chain security will never be done and we'll always have things to improve.

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Table of Contents:

Prologue (00:00:00)
Chapter 1: Jamie Returns: Weather and Mythos Recap (00:01:11)
Chapter 2: Post-Mythos Developments and Counter-Narratives (00:03:11)
Chapter 3: $20K Tokens, Wrench Attacks, and Log4J Toasters (00:08:41)
Chapter 8: Offshoring to the Digital Land (00:10:54)
Chapter 16: Jamie's Unpop: The Go Proverb Is Wrong, Use More Dependencies (00:18:42)
Chapter 17: More Dependencies, Bad Infrastructure, and Author Signing (00:24:02)
Chapter 18: The Go Module Proxy Doesn't Understand Its Place (00:28:18)
Chapter 19: Cooldowns and Minimum Release Age in Renovate (00:42:16)
Chapter 20: Hype Cycles, Security Professionals, and End-User Responsibility (00:52:18)
Chapter 25: Life Finds a Way: T-Rex Leather and Infinite Mindset (01:03:28)
Epilogue (01:07:29)

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(00:00) - Prologue
(01:11) - Chapter 1: Jamie Returns: Weather and Mythos Recap
(03:11) - Chapter 2: Post-Mythos Developments and Counter-Narratives
(08:41) - Chapter 3: $20K Tokens, Wrench Attacks, and Log4J Toasters
(10:54) - Chapter 8: Offshoring to the Digital Land
(18:42) - Chapter 16: Jamie's Unpop: The Go Proverb Is Wrong, Use More Dependencies
(24:02) - Chapter 17: More Dependencies, Bad Infrastructure, and Author Signing
(28:18) - Chapter 18: The Go Module Proxy Doesn't Understand Its Place
(42:16) - Chapter 19: Cooldowns and Minimum Release Age in Renovate
(52:18) - Chapter 20: Hype Cycles, Security Professionals, and End-User Responsibility
(01:03:28) - Chapter 25: Life Finds a Way: T-Rex Leather and Infinite Mindset
(01:07:29) - Epilogue

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