Iterating to usage-based pricing

In this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with Kunal Agarwal, CFO of Gorgias, to unpack how AI is reshaping pricing and operations. They discuss outcome-based pricing, how to forecast LLM-driven costs, and why order-to-cash isn’t just back-office plumbing—it can be a true growth lever when designed correctly.

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SPONSORS:

Tabs is an AI-native revenue platform that unifies billing, collections, and revenue recognition for companies running usage-based or complex contracts. By bringing together ERP, CRM, and real product usage data into a single system of record, Tabs eliminates manual reconciliations and speeds up close and cash collection. Companies like Cortex, Statsig, and Cursor trust Tabs to scale revenue efficiently. Learn more at https://www.tabs.com/run

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Metronome is real-time billing built for modern software companies. Metronome turns raw usage events into accurate invoices, gives customers bills they actually understand, and keeps finance, product, and engineering perfectly in sync. That’s why category-defining companies like OpenAI and Anthropic trust Metronome to power usage-based pricing and enterprise contracts at scale. Focus on your product — not your billing. Learn more and get started at https://www.metronome.com

RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform built for modern pricing models like usage-based pricing, bundles, and mid-cycle upgrades. RightRev lets companies scale monetization without slowing down close or compliance. For RevRec that keeps growth moving, visit https://www.rightrev.com

Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to close faster without fighting legacy systems. Designed to support complex revenue recognition, multi-entity operations, and real-time reporting, Rillet helps teams achieve a true zero-day close—with some customers closing in hours, not days. If you’re scaling on an ERP that wasn’t built in the 90s, book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj

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LINKS: 

Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN

Guest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/agarwalk/

Company: https://www.gorgias.com/

CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/

Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com

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TIMESTAMPS:

0:00 Preview and Intro

2:14 PE to venture incubator

4:39 Operational empathy from zero-to-one

4:45 First paying user feeling

5:40 Jet ski customer support story

8:49 Hanging with IC sales reps

12:24 Sponsors — Tabs | Abacum | Brex

15:44 Finance as the decision engine

17:36 Gorgias overview

20:20 Pricing structure and iteration

22:11 Outcome based / resolution pricing

24:48 AI success rate as key metric

25:33 Sponsors — Metronome | RightRev | Rillet

28:57 Pricing value split — $1 per resolution

31:17 Vertical specificity as AI moat

33:27 Managing LLM costs

35:41 Falling token costs and model mix

39:28 Order to cash as growth engine

43:31 Auditing order to cash at 25M ARR

44:09 Manual choke points

46:32 Learning density over titles

48:30 SurveyMonkey as the most formative period

50:07 Lightning round

50:17 Listening to respond vs. listening to learn

51:04 Advice to younger self

52:02 Finance software stack

52:45 Cortex — internal AI decision tool

54:21 Craziest expense story

54:52 Credits