Why She Didn't Lose Her Audience

In this Based Camp deep dive, Malcolm and Simone Collins explore one of the most fascinating figures in online culture: Shoe0nHead (June Lapine).

Why has a self-described social democrat, Bernie supporter, and pro-union leftist maintained massive popularity and respect in right-wing and anti-woke spaces for over a decade—while most other left-leaning creators from the early skeptic/atheist era lost their audiences?

We break down:

- Her unique journey from Gamergate-era anti-SJW commentary to Catholic trad wife and mother

- Why she never needed to “convert” her audience or pivot dramatically

- The vitalistic, entertaining style that keeps her relevant across the political spectrum

- The broader split in the old atheist community: truth-seekers vs. resentment-driven dunkers

- Why the modern right can embrace ideological diversity (and why the left struggles with it)

- Shoe0nHead as proof that the new right is a big-tent movement built on reality and forward momentum rather than purity spirals

If you’ve ever wondered why right-leaning creators constantly react to and platform Shoe0nHead (even when she criticizes Trump mildly), this episode explains it.

Episode Transcript

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be pulling a thread that we got to in another video and in this other video we were talking about the. Community of early online skeptics slash atheist, which was like the core of sort of YouTube culture in the earliest days of YouTube.

And how the individuals in this community that went right, they first became anti-feminist and anti woke, then went into Gamergate and then became the seedbed that the new right movement grew out of.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And then another group of them drifted in another direction. They drifted left and the group that drifted left like they, they were in the early atheist anti theist movement.

And then the movement went either at the anti-feminist or anti woke stage. Yeah. They lost their audiences. Notably, we didn’t talk about it in that video, but there is actually one that drifted left [00:01:00] even after that stage. He was there for anti-feminist, he was there for anti woke, and he only drifted left at the trans stuff.

This is dev slash short Fighter Taku, who has co off his views are way lower than ours now. If you look at like weekly counts

Simone Collins: has he overall drifted left?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, he has refused to really call out the trans community as a serious problem. And something that needs to be in some way, you know, the, like it legislatively something like that, a addressed.

Speaker 3: Inspector, do you know if the killer was a man or a woman? Well, if ca I know that. What else is there? The kitten,

Malcolm Collins: And I, I think that that’s part of, he’s also become more proc censorship, like censoring people in his forums and stuff like that. Really?

Simone Collins: Wow. That surprises me. It seems so unlike who I thought he was when I first started watching his videos.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, I think that’s why he lost a lot of his followership, right?

Speaker 8: What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for [00:02:00] gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

Malcolm Collins: Like it does, it does seem very anti what I thought he was right. But we noted one notable unique case in all of this, which was shoe on head. And Shoe on Head was very unique for a number of reasons. The, the biggest being is that she didn’t drift left over time or begin to adopt leftist talking points.

She was thoroughly leftist from the beginning and, and quite a bit more leftist than I think a casual viewer may believe. She for example, to go over some of her leftist positions universal Healthcare, she wants, she has strong support of labor unions. She’s a believer in free college. She is a, as well as tuition forgiveness.

She’s broadly anti-capitalist and anti-corporate regularly criticizing big businesses, everything like that. And she promotes working class [00:03:00] popularism. She voted for Joe Biden in 2020. She was a very strong supporter of Bernie Sanders. And so yeah, very, very left wing, especially in her economic views.

And also in, in her social views to an extent. .

Simone Collins: She, she hasn’t talked about it a lot. In, in most of her recent videos, she, she’ll come out critical of Trump, but in no way more than in, in fact, less than many of the conservative. People that I’ll hear on YouTube these days, which is weird.

Malcolm Collins: That I would say

Simone Collins: is true more

Malcolm Collins: recent videos.

But if you, if you look at the whole holisticness of her work, she did not lose followers when she was talking about these leftist things. And she even has the name among her fan base of Ka mommy. So, you know, it’s a sweet name I think. But it’s also socially she’s been shown to be quite progressive.

She right now is married to a trad C and has a kid, so be aware of that. And she converted to Catholicism over COVID. But before that, she was in a [00:04:00] long-term relationship with armored skeptic where she was public about having a 24 7 BDSM daddy, Dom little girl relationship.

Simone Collins: She was not really,

Malcolm Collins: yeah.

Simone Collins: Whoa. She. Wow, okay.

Malcolm Collins: And she still hasn’t condemned kink or anything like that, which is funny because on the social leftist front that would put her with us, where we do not condemn kink at all. We’re like, what? People are aroused by random

Simone Collins: things. I know. Dumb, dumb little girl, very Catholic you know, but they work father into everything.

I mean, come on.

Malcolm Collins: I guess that’s right. Yeah.

Simone Collins: See, it’s extremely paternalistic as, as a religion and like organization. I don’t understand why that that particular affiliation wouldn’t be. Quite match.

Malcolm Collins: But I mean, she has kind of made joking videos about kink. She made that one a really good one actually, about women getting into like monster effer books.[00:05:00]

Oh yeah. She didn’t outright condemn it. It was more the way that we talk about stuff like that where it is like women are ridiculous, that they pretend that men are the, the deviant ones and that they’re little, little Es. But in that other video, what I, what I talked about was why is she still relevant, but none of the other leftists.

YouTubers are not relevant is because she didn’t try to change her audience. And she didn’t need to convert her audience. Her audience was never really persuaded by her economic arguments. She was never a pipeline out of the right to anyone. She’s still a mainstream watch figure in the right, and when I say in the right, I mean if, if she did a video and Asma Gold didn’t do a cover of it, I would be very surprised.

Leaflet covers a lot of her videos. N Sinor always needs to brag when he gets mentioned in one of her videos, so clearly he’s watching [00:06:00] them. You know, if she mentioned us or birth rates, obviously I would be there.

Speaker 4: Do you think it’s possible that

Malcolm.

Speaker 4: could be watching you right now?

Speaker 3: Well, if I was

Malcolm.

Speaker 3: , I would certainly be watching and possibly tapping for later playback because you know, it’s a big deal to be talked about on

Speaker 6: A shoe on head video.

Malcolm Collins: and it’s and, and I, and I watch a lot of her videos too, just for even sort of like cultural relevance in the right, we pointed out that Sky Brows regularly has her along all of his alt-right v tubers and everything like that in his videos.

And so first I like, I wanna talk on two topics here. One is, its how and why because this came up a lot in the comments of that video.

How has Shoe on Head maintained this right wing following and loyalty for an example of another right wing influencer? Ho Math, ho Math did a chart of women he trusts, like online influencers.

He trusted. And she came in really high on that [00:07:00] chart above I, I think the majority of like female conservative influencers on the chart, right? Like, that is saying something, right? Note at that what do the characters get at the top of the chart, which I think is fun is Pearl Davis. He is like Pearl Davis sniffed this girl out.

This is with the, it was on his episode where he was talking about the the big, the

Simone Collins: one who said that she was a virgin when she got married and the pope blessed her marriage and then turns out she was actually sleeping with this other guy while engaged, et cetera.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well, and in that episode I realized just as a, a brief tangent here, and I think shoe on head actually sort of fits into this is that of conservative female influencers, because I wasn’t watching N’s version of this, I was watching the leaflet cover of this.

Is that in the, in the conservative influencer space, there is a certain type of woman who just like comes up and her front and center thing is. I am ex religious woman, right? Like I am the trad cast, sexy woman, [00:08:00] right? And these are the people I think of when I think of quote unquote Christian influencers.

And Leaflet was commenting that, you know, she gets accused of being a quote unquote Christian v YouTuber. Like, how dare you say this, as a Christian v tuber. And I realized how comical it was to consider a figure like leaflet or a figure like shoe on head alongside these quote unquote, like, I guess I’ll call ‘em Christian sea thought influencers.

That’s what we’ll call them the Christian thought influencers.

Simone Collins: Oh my gosh, that’s such a thing though. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Because neither of them, while both of them is Christian at this point neither of them leads anything with that, right? Like, that’s not their front, that’s not their identity, that’s not their hook for their audience.

And I think. They, it’s, it’s useful to know, like when you’re watching an influencer to know, are they likely trustable? Is it, are they likely authentic? The ones that are, the, the, the thoughts are very likely inauthentic, right? Broadly speaking, stuff seems to blow up for them at a fairly frequent [00:09:00] rate, whereas I’m just not familiar with that many controversies at all with individuals.

On the other end of the scale was the only one maybe I’m aware of is the Pearl Davis Sleeping Whiz. Seem me to have a preference for black guys which like, whatever, I understand why that’s a controversy I do. But I also, it’s like, you know, your preferences are your preferences, right?

Like. I have, and I, and I mean this like we in the conservative community should be defending the idea of your preferences or your preferences. My preferences are for white women. That doesn’t make me a racist, right? Like, in fact, if you watch our video, which race is the most attractive? We, we do break down that.

But generally races prefer their own ethnicity over other ethnicities.

Speaker 5: I should note here, I’m not saying this ‘cause she’s ever stated she had the preference, her black guys, it’s just of the three public boyfriends she’s had, two of them have been black and one of them she needed to clarify was not black and was Dominican. So apparently he looked black to other people.

, And [00:10:00] it may not be due to a preference on her part. It may be due to the cursed phenomenon that were not supposed to talk publicly about, but it probably is useful for young girls if they happen to be watching this to be aware of this. , The once you go black, you never go black phenomenon. Is not necessarily because, , black guys are significantly better when dating or something like that.

It is in large part also because, , a large chunk of the white male population finds girls significantly less attractive. Or, or at least significantly less valuable as dating or even sexual prospects after they know they’ve had relations with black men. , I am not saying this is a good thing, , but, you know, everyone has their preferences.

, And in the same way that it’s like

not necessarily a good thing that guys on average happen to find girls less attractive after they know ‘em. They slept with a lot of people. But it’s also a fact that it’s useful for girls to know when they’re sort of gauging, , they’re [00:11:00] dating publicly. And I don’t think anyone ever, for example, in Firm Pearl that her relationship would have this effect.

, And that’s sad, right? ,

And note, I want to be clear here. I didn’t say that many white male racist opinion of a girl goes down significantly after they know she had slept with a black guy. I am saying. Many white men, even ones who I have known who, , would, no one would think to call them a racist. , They have no other views that could get them in trouble for being racist.

And so they do not air this particular view. And, , through not airing this view, because obviously in society, if, you did that, that would be, and I’m not saying I feel that way, , it, it would be very, , damaging to you. But, , it’s important that girls are aware of this.

In fact, it’s so common. , I am drawn to wonder if it might have a genetic component. , So drop in the comments if you are not white, and if you know a woman of your [00:12:00] ethnicity has slept with a white guy, , or you can also add black guy here. , Does that drop , her attractiveness to you? , More than a regular body count would.

Malcolm Collins: But anyway that’s the only controversy I’m aware of. And I don’t, I don’t even think of that as a real controversy. That’s not, she’s never pretended to be a white nationalist. She’s never pretended to be an ethno centrist.

She’s never pretended to be like that is in no way betraying the image she has portrayed to the public.

Simone Collins: Well, it’s so funny that she could have someone like Nick Fuentes on and kind of defend him and be friendly with him and then get castigated for that, but then also be def fenestrated for formerly having black boyfriends.

Like, okay, so. Like, what are, are you mad at her because she’s not a racial supremacist or you’re mad that she is? We’re

Malcolm Collins: seeing this with Trump right now. Yesterday or like a few days ago, everyone was freaking out. They said, can you believe Trump says he wants to bomb all Iranians? And of course that’s not what he said.

He [00:13:00] even into the tweet was, you know, praying for the great people of Iran. But then the next day he doesn’t bomb them and he gets the beginnings of the, the truce worked out. And then all of the same people who were freaking out on him yesterday for wanting to bomb Iranians, they were like, oh, taco, he didn’t bomb all the Iranians.

He should have bombed all the Iranians. Why aren’t you bombing them? Right? Like, it’s more just like attack them whenever, like when somebody’s on the right, you just get attacked for anything and it makes you a little numb to it after, you know, you’re just like, okay, you’re just gonna hate me no matter what I say.

So, I have no need to take on anything performative at this point. But. What I wanted to discuss here was, one, the phenomenon of why she’s popular on the right. And two, the, the phenomenon more broadly, which I guess I’m gonna start with is a meta phenomenon is I was looking with AI and I could not find an equivalent to shoe one head on the left.

Meaning there is no mainstream popular figure on the left who [00:14:00] has right wing views. There, there, there, there is no, I think there

Simone Collins: one, but it’s over, which was the Colbert report. It was this idea. I mean, and he wasn’t even actually right wing, right. But he pretended to be right wing and leftists loved that.

But I think they also just kind of loved the, the right wing views being as kind sometimes. Like they just kind of Yeah, no, I They were allowed to, they were allowed to, enjoy laughing and, and, and watching it and kind of even liking it. ‘cause it was a joke. Of course. They didn’t like it. It was just a joke.

Well,

Malcolm Collins: yeah. Patriotism and vitalism that they could play along with and have fun with. Right. You know? Mm-hmm. You know, I, I think that that was what grabbed people in that. Yeah. And it was almost prototypical of. A channel like ours, like the Colbert Report.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, people would say, oh, you support everything Trump does.

And it’s like, yeah, we do. You know, yeah. Even if one day I, I believe in unless something is like a true and genuine betrayal and not something that he said he was gonna do on the campaign trail I should go along with it. Right. And like, for [00:15:00] example, the Irene bombing thing on the campaign trail, he said, I will bomb Iran to smither ees.

Speaker 16: As you know, there have been two assassination attempts on my life that we know of possibly do Iran, but we’ve been threatened very directly by Iran, and I think you have to let ‘em know that you do any attacks on former presidents or candidates for president.

Uh, your country gets blown to Smither Eames, as we say.

Malcolm Collins: Right. Like, so, it is the same with it. Like when Elon went against Trump for all of these things that he put into the bill, it’s like, yeah. But he said he was gonna do all this government bloat on the campaign trail is how he got elected. Right? Like, it was one of the compromises that our side came to.

So I, I don’t, you know, but I, I guess that does make me look like having a relationship with Trump the same way the Stephen Colbert character had, was who was the Republican of that [00:16:00] era maybe, maybe George Bush or something. Anyway I know George Bush, by the way, he’s a, he’s a really nice guy.

The people are I, I, I, you know, I think he made some mistakes during his presidency, but I don’t think he made them with malice. And I think obviously the biggest mistakes he made was attempting nation building in the Middle East, but he just didn’t have a history or knowledge to know that that wouldn’t work.

Right. Like we had done it in Japan. We had done it in Germany. No one had really tried it in the Middle East before. If it had worked like it had in Japan and Germany and South Korea which was a. Pretty successful track record up to that point. And, and in mainstream culture at the time did not admit that people were genetically different.

It, you, you, he couldn’t have gone to someone and said, how many successful democracies have ever been set up in an Arab majority country? Or what do Muslims really believe? Like that information just wasn’t out there back then. Right. You know, and maybe, maybe this attitude explains [00:17:00] why there isn’t this on the left.

Right. I think many people on the right are actually fairly able to be forgiving of people’s political differences. We are open to have friends and be influenced by people who appear to be approaching arguments with good faith. And I think that. She represents that for a lot of people, and the left cannot do that.

Mm-hmm. That’s why Stephen Colbert, which I think is a good flip here, is their closest thing to a shoe on head. Because everything he presented was explicitly in bad faith, which is why it was Okay. And I think that many of us didn’t know it how bad faith it was until after Stephen Colbert decided to be his real personality.

And then we got to see, oh, this guy is like, completely cooked in the brain. Specifically he the, the funniest example of this was when John Stewart went on his show and tried to explain that the the lab leak hypothesis was [00:18:00] likely correct and funny, like that segment was so funny. And Steven got like increasingly nervous, like, but this is off script, John. This is off script. John. We don’t talk about this. Or community John.

Speaker 23: the suffering of this pandemic which was more than likely caused by science.

, no,

Speaker 22: no, no, no,

Speaker 23: no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not listen, listen.

But what

Speaker 22: do you, what what, what, what do you mean by that? Do you mean like, perhaps there’s, there’s a chance that this was created in a lab. I’d love to hear.

Speaker 23: A novel respiratory coronavirus overtaking Wuhan, China. What do we do? Oh, you know who we could ask? The Wuhan Novel Respiratory Coronavirus Lab. The disease is the same name as the lab.

And then they ask the scientists, wait a minute. You work at the Wuhan Respiratory Coronavirus Lab. How did this happen? And they’re like, Mmm, a pangolin kissed a turtle. [00:19:00] And you’re like, No! If you look at the name,

show me your business card. Oh, I work at the Coronavirus lab in Wuhan. Oh, because there’s a coronavirus loose in Wuhan. How did that happen? Maybe a bat flew into the cloaca of a turkey and now we all have coronavirus. Like, come on.

Okay, okay. Wait a second. Wait a second. What about this? What about this? Listen to this. Wait a second. All right. John. Oh my god. Oh my god. There’s been an outbreak of chocolatey goodness near Hershey, Pennsylvania. What do you think happened? Like, oh, I don’t know, maybe something. Maybe it’s a cocoa bean or it’s the f ing chocolate factory.

Maybe that’s it.

Speaker 22: That could that could very well be and Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins and NIH have said like it should definitely be investigated.

Speaker 23: Stop with the. [00:20:00] Logic and people and things. The name

Speaker 22: of the disease Wait a second, wait a second Is all over the building Wait a second, but it could be possible, you could be right It could be possible that they have The lab in Wuhan To study the novel coronavirus Diseases because of the bat population there.

Sure, no. I understand.

Speaker 23: It’s the only place to find bats oh, wait. Austin, Texas has thousands of them that fly out of a cave every night. . Is there a coronavirus, an Austin coronavirus?

No, it doesn’t seem to be an Austin coronavirus.

Malcolm Collins: And you know, obviously he ended up, especially with his Charlie Kirk comments that were just really vile ended up, I, I think showing his true colors eventually.

And his true colors just apparently come down from being afraid to, to challenge or criticize any, any, any woke or orthodox belief. And this is probably created by his writer room. I think he hired a bunch of SJWs to be writers and that made him really afraid, which is, you know, common in Hollywood.

I, I do think that he might have been more moderated [00:21:00] in his earlier beliefs. ‘cause at one point he said his favorite president was Nixon. Mm-hmm. So, and he, and he said, really, I mean, this, this is gonna surprise people. So, so like not in Charact. Okay, but to shoe on head, why does shoe on head appeal to right-leaning individuals?

And I will read an article attacking shoe on head, which I think will help explain how she still appeals so strongly to right-leaning individuals.

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: You, you ready to buckle in on this one, Simone?

Simone Collins: Yeah, please enlighten me.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. This is an article on Medium and is one of the first results if you look up criticisms of shoe on head, shoe on head, the red brown Queen of Sims, and the dangers of pop populism.

So it starts as, and then it says a, a criticism of June Lapin, which is her real name. Starts with a number of quotes from her rape culture Isn’t [00:22:00] real o okay, that’s not a problematic quote. Unless you’re talking about a Muslim culture, if she’s talking about some Muslim cultures, I’d be like, whoa, shoot.

Like, you really need to look at the 99% of Egyptian women have been the subject to sexual assault statistic, right? Like, this is clearly a systemic problem, but not in American colleges or in America, which is probably what she means. The wage gap is a myth. Just, you know, this article was written in 2021.

I don’t even think people on the left argue that the wage gap is real anymore. The patriarchy is not real obvious. White privilege is not real. The only privilege is class privilege. Okay, good way to try to bring in the the socialism. Mary. You see, that’s where she, that’s where she brings it in.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: These are a few memorable quotes by the YouTuber Shoe on head, a self-proclaimed social Democrat. Anti SJW YouTuber was 1.5 million subscribers and 400,000 Twitter followers. Bigger now I, I think about twice the size now. Who has successfully solicit solicited her way into legitimate [00:23:00] leftist spaces after five long years of desperately trying.

I mean, she constantly talks about Vosh and being friends with him and stuff like that. She, so she mainstream was, was very far in mainstream leftists, right?

Octavian Collins: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Before we get into why she’s so dangerous. Now we need to talk about her past just a bit. Shoe on Head. Built her YouTube career off of the momentum of Gamergate, the misogynistic harassment campaign that gave birth to the alt-right and eventually helped get Donald Trump elected.

But there’s a chance most of her fans today don’t know that. In fact, most of her fans today don’t know anything at all about shoe. So a few funny things here is most of Shoe One heads fans, I would argue, are not leftists.

They are her original fan base. They are still Trump voters. There’s a reason she’s in every Sky Brown video. So no, her, her fans are very much aware that she was anti woke and still is anti woke, right? Mm-hmm. And then too, I [00:24:00] love this person’s characterization of Gamergate, right? Like a alt-right harassment campaign where it’s like.

Gamer Gate was about very real corruption in gaming and media that led to the eventual destruction of the entire industry. Gaming media does not exist anymore. Side Scrollers a conservative YouTube show run by Stuttering Craig is which we’ve been on a bit in the past, probably bigger than all of gaming media combined.

Like, like leftist gaming media at this point. And there are some other bigger gaming YouTubers. But they’re, they’re all either rightist or apolitical at this point. And, and certainly not establishment. The last establishment, leftist gaming media figure was zero punctuation. Who many don’t know.

He does not like Trump. He’s invented that in some of his videos. So, you know, and he hilarious. I love his videos. I watch almost every one of his videos. But he only became a non-establishment because the company [00:25:00] basically kicked him out. They, they, well, they fired everyone and he got mad at them.

And there’s the whole drama around that. And then he went to

Simone Collins: start Is the angry British man or the

Malcolm Collins: He angry, I think. I think I thought he was Australian, but he might be British.

Simone Collins: I’m just thinking about the grumpy British man.

Malcolm Collins: But that’s who you’re thinking of. I think he’s okay. Goes on those long funny rants.

Mm-hmm. Anyway, so she goes over bullet points, so, so you know how evil she is. Okay. They don’t know that she was friends with Laura Su, a white nationalist that made a video trashing Hillary Clinton together in 2015. So a few notes here. Laura Su is not a white nationalist. She has denied. She’s a white nationalist.

I think the, at most she has admitted some esno tensions around differential fertility rates or something like that. Which is not a, that’s anyone should be. Like if I am a, now in the United States, white people actually have very strong fertility rates, especially Northern Europeans. But if you’re talking about other countries like Italy [00:26:00] and, and, and Spain and stuff like that, like yeah, I’d be really concerned.

And when I say strong fertility rates, I mean strong fertility rates for our income level. Not in a global scale. Obviously poor people have more kids, right. But, but even if you correct for things, see our video on this ‘cause in another video we were talking about this and the, one of the commentaries didn’t seem to be aware of this when we were talking about white, like Northern Europeans have strong fertility rates, and they were like, well, that’s not the same as birth rates.

And it’s like, no, that’s exactly what I’m talking about. Like, white people in the US have a higher fertility rate than black people in the US despite black people being poor, right? Like, if, if you’re unaware of that, we, we have a higher fertility rate than Mexico. We have a higher fertility rate than the average fertility rate of Latin America.

We have a higher fertility rate than any country that comes close to EST except for Israel. In terms of the, the only one that that’s sort of close is Australia, which is again a northern European country predominantly. So yeah. It’s, it’s not a particularly warranted fear, but I’m still okay with people cheering for [00:27:00] their own team.

It could be better. Sure,

Simone Collins: yeah. By

Malcolm Collins: all means. I don’t think 1.6 is good. I, I, I wanna get up there. 2.5 or something, but like, we can get there.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. Next she says they don’t know, she called indie game artist Zoe Quinn, a quote unquote w***e, and was a huge quote unquote, classic liberal celeb during Gamergate.

So, for people who are unaware, Zoe Quinn is a w***e. Like, no, she, like, that’s what she’s famous for, is sleeping around with lots of people while she has a boyfriend. I suppose the like a, a lot, a lot of people while she had a boyfriend and then doing reviews on their video games, right? Like, that’s like both unethical and hoish.

I suppose if I was gonna criticize her we do not have. It’s, it’s more like she was paying the guys for sex than the other way around, because she would write positive reviews about the games that guys she had sex with. So it, it, it’s sort of worse than being a w***e. It’s I, I I would say [00:28:00] trading your reputation and time for sex with somebody else sort of puts you on the receiving end of the horror category.

But yeah,

Simone Collins: this makes it look like it was a, yeah, she’s trying to pay them for the privilege.

Malcolm Collins: A, a recent shoe on head quote, by the way that I thought was fantastic is the video she’s saying. It used to be that when an unattractive woman saw an attractive woman getting more attention than her, they’d call her a w***e.

But we can’t say that anymore because somehow being a w***e is good now. So now we call them a racist. And I think that this is a regard to Cindy Sweeney controversy, but I think it, this, article right here. They explicitly don’t say, and she isn’t a w***e. They, the, the implication seems to be more, and being a w***e is empowering.

Mm-hmm. That is how we capture our femininity.

Michael who? Uh, I believe that is a w***e.

Malcolm Collins: It says here is shoe on head at a party with Carl Benjamin. This is Sargon a [00:29:00] pod. For people who are unaware, no, she’s not even talking to Sargon of a cod. He just happens to be in the foreground and she’s in

Simone Collins: the

Malcolm Collins: background with her boyfriend.

Simone Collins: Guilt by proximity thing is so weird.

You breathe the same air as them.

Malcolm Collins: And note here she is wearing cat ears too. This is,

Simone Collins: is that the condemning factor here?

Malcolm Collins: No, I’m just saying that, so socially that’s a pretty like. I, I would say at least not like trad conservative, very, very conservative as this new conservative culture is conservative.

Like the things that she does that are so not traditionally socially conservative are things that the new right wouldn’t really condemn. Um mm-hmm. In so far as we are voices within the new right. That I think sort of embody a lot of the beliefs of it that we’re not gonna go out there and be like, oh, you know, you need to, if you practice a kink relationship with your monogamous boyfriend where you wore cat ears and did like daddy dom little girl stuff that you need to go in [00:30:00] a cage forever, right?

Like, whatever. Right? Like, it’s, it’s with your partner. You, you both seem to be turned on by it. Like, have fun, right. And, and I think that this is partially why you didn’t know that about her, and it’s not a big scandal about her because nobody in the new Right. Effing cares.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Right, right. It is, it is just the old timey purists and if she tried to get in with or the new timey deontologists that are, that are about, you know, purifying the ideology of the party, purifying you know, racial purity and everything like that.

It’s just a bit, whatever.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Like, like o obviously, like ethno groups are real and genetically cluster and there can be some utility in attempting to preserve one. But it’s not the only genetic strategy you can attempt. And that most ethno groups that you are a part of today were in part made by mixing previous ethno groups.

Like the British ethnic group I’m a part of is a mixture of a number of ethnic groups Celts picks Vikings [00:31:00] French some Netherlands. And so, yeah, you know, it’s a, you, you can, you can mix ethno groups to create a superior ethno group. I’m, I’m joking there. I did not say that my ethnicity has any degree of superiority.

That was completely said in jest. Mm-hmm. Do I make your side hurt?

Simone Collins: My whole heart.

Malcolm Collins: We point out in our, well, somebody in our comments was complaining that like how, like when you mix ethnicities, like look at the ugly children that are created by this. What? And I was like, well, you know, we do a video where we rank ethnicities by hotness.

And in the studies that have looked at mixed ethnicity children white people think white. Asian babies are more at attract, not not babies, adults, like I, I guess people made of those pairings are more attractive than other white people.

Simone Collins: They’re,

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Simone Collins: Cause they are, what can we

Malcolm Collins: say? I kind of agree. I I think that often they do turn out hotter.

It’s not to say that I think that that’s the optimal [00:32:00] genetic strategy, I’m just pointing out that this is statistically what white people think. And note that there are other esno groups that prefer white, like for example, Hispanics prefer white Hispanic. Mixed people to Hispanic people.

Octavian Collins: Oh.

Malcolm Collins: But to continue here, well go, go watch that video if you’re interested in this topic. Right. You know, holding her hand to the fire. They probably don’t know that her name is Shoe on Head. Comes from a meme where people harass webcam models who could not speak English. Okay, fine. Sounds edgy nonsense.

They don’t know that she called non-binary people trans Trenders up until 2017. Oh, they don’t know that. She was a big fan of Milo Opolis. An infamous alt-right troll and close friends with Carl Benjamin. AKA Sargon of Cod. You ki party member. They don’t know. She said Trump might be good for America after he was elected and told LGBT people that they were overreacting.

Election [00:33:00] night. At this point it’s like,

Stop. My penis can only get so erect.

Malcolm Collins: . Like, please stop.. Hell, they don’t know that she used to be engaged to armored sex skeptic, a Canadian reactionary or centrist YouTube skeptic who made videos against trans trenders and feminism, which was very much a real phenomenon, right?

And then they have a picture of her dressed up. I don’t know, sexy clothing on her husband who in lighting his cigar. And, and they’re, and holding a sandwich, right? And they’re like, not sexist, you know, obviously joking there. And they say her, her ex has an interesting rig. I, I can’t tell what’s funny about this.

It just, it’s like a card of me. For years, Shu has been slowly sneaking away from her old neo rat actionary spaces and making her way into left-leaning communities successfully sweeping her past under the rug, and pretending she was not calling non-binary people, trans trenders. Just a few years ago, [00:34:00] Vinny on the left, such as Steve Chives, this is one of the ones who we talked about who moved to the left but was in the original atheist community.

A victim of shoe on head’s harassment has been warning about this infiltration attempt for years.

Simone Collins: What kind of harassment is this that allegedly is causing all these problems?

Malcolm Collins: I’m sure she just called him out for something. He really did.

Speaker 9: Okay. When you actually look into this story, this is like psychotic framing of what happened. So Steve Chives at a mis con 2017 tried to get shoe on head armored skeptic and sargon of acod banned from the event de platform them interfere with their sources of revenue and public outreach, removing them from the conversation.

And all she did in retaliation for that was make fun of him for being such an SJW. . That is absolutely wild that this would be framed , and not even like in a particularly cruel way, psychos.

Malcolm Collins: I mean this is what the tweet [00:35:00] that they have about her, she seems too eager to excuse herself regarding Buck Angel.

Oh, because she had Buck Angel on Buck Angel is trans by the way, and he is just a trans person who said the horrifying thing of trans children are actually a problem and you shouldn’t be gender transitioning children. And he is living proof that the majority of the original trans community is quite mortified.

Him Caitlyn Jenner, everything like that with what the Transgen Trenders have turned the community into.

Simone Collins: Is Caly Jenner still out posting? I’ve gotta check. Gosh. I mean, I hadn’t heard that name in forever. No,

Malcolm Collins: not sorry for that. Vidcom pick she was in with shoe and armored skeptic. She worries about being a burden on to her colleagues, friends on YouTube, but puts tweets from others in the video, possibly making trouble for them.

Why should she be sorry for the VidCon photo? Because it helped to normalize two se untrustworthy opportunists who are constantly grasping for [00:36:00] a sort of legitimacy and acceptance suggested in the photos. Specifically, she’s talking about her ex here. And this is shoe on head eating with her ex.

The hilarious is this also includes Contra Points and Lindsay Ellis, right. Which I, I think are fairly mainstream leftists right thoughts. By the way, before I continue,

Simone Collins: I I think this is an example of people trying to make cancellations out of absolutely nothing because I don’t see anything wrong here.

She’s living her life. And mixing with other influencers and expressing opinions, which is the only thing an influencer can do if they want to provide substance.

Malcolm Collins: Well, this is actually a really good point about you. So cancellations often validate people in the eyes of the right. Mm-hmm. I think if you look at the early days of v tubers, ‘cause we talked about this in the other episode, like Rev says desu, which is, it’s like literally an anime girl child vampire as his avatar.

I mean, I think that would make many people quite suspicious of him. But his constant cancellation sort of affirm him in [00:37:00] the eyes of the right. I pointed out Scott Alexander being taken down by New York Times made him an intellectual who you could cite without reservation within right wing spaces.

In addition the entire VT tubing community was really affirmed by the right in the big explosion that happened was the case of, what was it? Anna Vains and trying and Keisha take down leaflet and kyia. Right. And I smug Alana, was she part of that? I forgot. Smug Alana on our V YouTuber piece.

And I love smug Alana. She has great videos. The

Simone Collins: smug, okay.

Malcolm Collins: Smug. Alana’s another Fox girl. The problem, the reason I don’t remember her is I get her confused, was Kirsha. Because they have very similar avatars. Simone,

your thoughts.

Simone Collins: My god. Yeah, sorry. Up all night again.

Tex is doing the thing where he doesn’t like to sleep. I’m just shocked. Here’s, here’s what I actually think is going on, and this is something that came up in the comments of the YouTuber video that you did on YouTubers going to the left and to the right post, the [00:38:00] four Chan Tumblr, easiest time.

Is that what you didn’t? This wasn’t really about people choosing a side like, I’m going to become a Democrat. I’m gonna become a Republican. It was about whether or not people were part of those spaces in the first place because they hated or resented the church or God, or whether they were in that space because they wanted to pursue truth.

And they, they were like going toward a light versus like hurling poop at think as something that made them angry. Right? Yeah. And I think the people who tended to go toward the left and then be associated more with the left were the people who just wanted to hate on God or the church or, you know, show resentment towards something.

And often that something turned into Trump, turned into capitalists, turned into whatever, right? Af after they were sort of done throwing hate at priests or at the church. And I think the reason why Shuan had is an example and, and [00:39:00] maybe to a lesser extent, contra points because contra points I think maintain some level of popularity is that the fo their focus in the end.

In very different ways, which you also touched on in an earlier episode. Hasn’t been on. I’m going to just dunk on this thing and hate this thing and I’m resentful and angry and depressed. I have mental problems, everything, bad hate, hate hate. Rather they show a sense of affirmative forward moving vitalism.

And generation in that shoe on head is vitalistic. She has fun commentary, she’s very energetic. And Contra Points has taken the very different direction of being like, theater Kitty. I’m gonna add gel lighting and costuming to everything and be really entertaining about it. And that, I think actually you can even see this in the way that contra points versus Philosophy tubes videos went because both of them decided to take the theater kid perspective.

Yeah. Even the mutual content of each of their videos. Counterpoints gets really [00:40:00] nerdy about things, but in a, in a non hateful way. In a, not like, I’m gonna talk how someone is bad, but rather I’m gonna be like, look at how Fire Festival went insane. Or like, let’s go down the rabbit hole with twilight. Whereas philosophy Tube is like, I’m going to talk to you about how, you know, everyone’s bad and terrible and how the world is bad and terrible toward trans people, toward, toward humans, toward the, the proletariat.

And so it’s more about hate. And I think that that was a really interesting thing that several people in the comments of the last video, you

Malcolm Collins: know, it’s interesting that you mention this because this is another individual that, like a lot of online conservatives watch Contra Points videos. Mm-hmm. When we have brought her up and liking her content, I, I like her content.

On, on online before. Especially in contrast to who was that other one? A philosophy tube, right? Yeah. Rather like philosophy tube is not very high quality content and contra points, it’s pretty decent sometimes. And

Simone Collins: actually. I wanna say it’s notable because in terms of quality [00:41:00] I think, you know, Abigail, Flo, AKA philosophy too would immediately shoot back being like, I have a team, I have makeup artists.

I put time into my script. Mine is higher quality, I’m more professional. Whereas they get the impression that Contra Points actually does more of the work herself, like on her own. Well, yeah, because

Malcolm Collins: she’s, she’s, she’s doing the left of thing, which is a performative hiring of people. The performative, not just

Simone Collins: Yeah, yeah.

The bureaucratizing. But I, it’s, there’s just this huge difference between like nerding out vitalism enthusiasm versus like, I hate this thing. I’m smarter than you are. Here’s why you should hate it. Yeah, yeah. Here’s why you should hate it and why we should all be depressed and sad. And it’s not even really about right or left Trump bad or good.

Right. It’s about like how energetic and vitalistic and, and is this person moving society forward, or are they trying to tear it down? I think that’s what it fundamentally comes down to. Maybe that’s what the new right is fundamentally about. It’s not really about being like old fashioned religious or not.

It’s really are you excited [00:42:00] about building up for the future? And if you are, then you’re in the new right. You might, you know, not fit in any other way, but you’re there anyway.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Actually, this is a really interesting meta point for a number of reasons that I want to dig into. Okay. Yeah. First is fun, fun side here.

Okay. For people who don’t know Philosophy Tube, when she was still a man dated Contra points another trans woman. And after they broke up, that’s when she started transitioning and in a way that looks like she was trying to look more like contra points, and then she started doing videos, like contra points.

And Contra points has even called this out in a deleted tweet. Like, if you think your exes are stalkery, you’ve never had one, like completely medically transform themselves to try to be as close to you as possible, right? Like, but you know, the, and then launch a career that mirrored your own. But

Simone Collins: I mean, it’s a little bit relatable.

I, I only say that because like when I first met you. I was like, why am [00:43:00] I not him? You know? I was just so excited that you existed and kind of mad that I couldn’t pull you off. But also I have the humility to know that I could never be you. So maybe that’s the key difference. I mean, well you kind of are now we’ve got kids together.

Right. As I know. That’s the best thing. That is the best thing. Yeah. And the whole, not, don’t it to like combine my identity with you, but also make like iterative copy copies of you that we get to like

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. The moment you got

Simone Collins: a chance

Malcolm Collins: stamp, stamp stamp, stamp stamp, stamp stamp.

Simone Collins: You know it.

Malcolm Collins: Hey,

Simone Collins: they,

Malcolm Collins: they do act like us, I’ll tell you

Simone Collins: that.

Well, they act to like you.

Malcolm Collins: They do act like me a

Simone Collins: lot When they’re being neurotic. They act like me.

Octavian Collins: This strawberry is getting my mouth wet. I can’t eat it.

Malcolm Collins: But, one point I was going to make here is stylistic. Mm-hmm. An interesting thing about Sean Head’s videos is they actually stylistically look more like left wing videos than right wing videos.

They’re closer to a contra points in terms of their level of editing and development. She, they’re [00:44:00] sort of a mix of the two cultures, but I point out that like right wing videos when we were talking about that they’re often far lower production b budget, they’re much more interested in just like, these are the ideas, right?

Like, they’re not liter if they have jokes in them. The jokes are germane to like the way the conversation is flowing like a n Taku or us or something like that. Whereas or Bridget Nessy does a lot of jokes in her videos whereas shoe on heads appear theater kitty, I, I, I’d say almost right, like it’s got, it is got an ounce of that flair to it and it doesn’t turn off.

Right wing viewers. I’ve never heard it. I I actually quite like the effort she puts in. Yeah. Second or, or then the larger meta thing I really wanted to get to that I think is really interesting here is what caused the original split. And I think Sarah Hater said this best on, on a, what’s her show called again?

We’ve had her on Sarah

Simone Collins: Hater. I mean yeah, Sarah Hater was on I. [00:45:00] Special place in hell with Megan Do in hell. At least that ended.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, it did. No, that’s a shame. But anyway so she said on a special place in hell that what we saw was the old atheist community is over time, it turned out that of the, like leading voices within it, half of them just wanted to dunk on Christians and half of them were interested in what was true.

Mm-hmm. And the half of them that were interested in what was true is the half that broke off and eventually became anti woke New Wright. Mm-hmm. And the half of them that just wanted to dunk on Christians, I mean, many of them were the celebrities that like, we don’t even remember, used to be part of this movement.

Like Neil deGrasse Tyson, oh gosh, bill Nye you know, who’s now like denying his old videos. Like, oh no, gender is not a, a thing. It’s not YXXY, it x Like in his new series, he actually is. Explicitly contradicts simple videos he made about gender in his old series. Right. Are you serious? Are serious? No.

Yeah. Completely brainwashed.

Simone Collins: Oh gosh.

Malcolm Collins: But what’s interesting is that the way the split [00:46:00] happened if you’re talking about like the absolute leaders of the community, you know, people like, you know, Richard Dawkins and like that whole group by the, the Four Horsemen or whatever, I can’t remember all of their names.

They didn’t all move to a traditional rightist perspective, but they certainly didn’t go in the direction of the celebrity types who were just interested in being atheist celebrities like Neil Dess Tyson, and bill Nye. All of them as far as I’m aware, have since said the, the movement was a mistake and Christianity is a good thing and made our society stronger and better.

Mm-hmm. And, and that’s a shocking thing. But the reason they said that, and the reason they all came to that belief is because they were willing to look at the evidence as society changed. And that so we saw that in this early community, one, one half of it was really, they just hated, they, they allowed their hatred for the other group to define their beliefs.

And the other part was searching for the truth. And I think we’re actually seeing this again with, in the right, [00:47:00] right now. I’ve pointed out in the. Last video we did on this, and we have a longer video that we haven’t aired. Where we go much deeper into this phenomenon is that it turns out that the sort of deontologist faction of the right the Nick Fuentes faction of the right, where, where we dig deeper into his beliefs on this, is much more dominated by like, they are willing to sabotage the United States best interest if it hurts Israel.

Mm-hmm. And they are willing to sabotage America’s best interest. If it hurts Israel, they’re willing to sabotage the best interest of unborn children if it helps preserve some degree of like, moral purity and whatever they’re voting for. You know, like if you, if you know the Republican party is gonna put more restrictions on that, and yet you’re voting against them and telling your followers to vote against them, it shows a degree to allow the things you hate to override, the things you say you love, you know?

Mm-hmm. And I actually think that there’s a lot of parallels between that. Strain in the conservative party right [00:48:00] now. And, and note here, when I talk about like hating Israel more than we’ve pointed out, we have a whole video being critical of Israel being like, Hey, like there’s actually, you know, problems in the relationship between the United States and Israel.

But to you know, go so far as to say, and therefore we should not take out the ayatollah of Iran who wants us all dead, right? Like, we, we should allow him to have a nuke despite the large terrorist network Iran runs outside the country. That’s where you get to a point where you’re like, come on man.

Like, if, if we can use Israel, they’ve dropped a, around half the ordinance that has been dropped has been dropped by Israel. Like they’re pulling their weight on this. They also have ground forces dealing with terrorists in Lebanon, but they pulled back when we made the deal. For people who don’t know we were not aware, like Iran, there was a miscommunication.

It appears, at least that’s vance’s interpretation. It could have been intentional that Lebanon was not part of the deal.

And Israel really didn’t want it to be part of the deal. Oh. Um, And uh, after the deal [00:49:00] was signed and Iran pushed back on this we put pressure on Israel and they pulled out of Lebanon as far as the last I checked I’ll, I’ll be honest about that.

Speaker 12: So I decided to double check this before putting this live. , And as things stand, , yeah, Israel has pulled back in Lebanon, but not entirely pulled out in Lebanon. , They were completely furious about this. They had asked us to make absolutely sure this was not in the peace negotiation, , but they’re doing what we tell them to basically, because that’s the way our relationship works, despite what some people will tell you.

Malcolm Collins: so, like they’ve, they’ve also like, in terms of. Playing ball by our standards. When we said, don’t bomb any infrastructure again after the bombing of the nors pars oil field they stopped. Right. You know? Mm-hmm. So, where was I going with this? Like they, they do do annoying things.

Also, if you watch mainstream media, you may not be aware that despite the talks technically collapsing, the ceasefire is still in effect.

But overall, you know, you are self-sabotaging the party [00:50:00] and the collective MAGA movement. And we find out 90% of MAGA is pro-war, right. You know,

Speaker 13: And, , I will note here, it’s not just Republicans that are pro this. , Since the bombings have started, Republicans in the midterms have gained significantly, , vote hub aggregate, , before the. Strikes started as of February 28th, 2026. Democrats were at 47.9% and Republicans were at 41.8%. By March 25th, it had narrowed to Democrats at 47.4%, and Republicans at 42.8% you gov.

Economists March 13th to 16th surveys. . Democrats slipped from 45% to 43%, while Republican support had gained steadily to 41%, shrinking a gap from four to two points since the bombing started. , And this is obviously freaking the F out of Democratic analysts.

Malcolm Collins: of people who are pro-Trump. There isn’t an actual split in the base of the party, but I think that there’s [00:51:00] something of a mirror there to what happened with that community.

Back in the day. Right. Which is part of the movement was really only interested in dunking on Christians. Eventually they realized they had more in common with the Democratic movement than they had with what was becoming the Republican and conservative movement. And the people who were interested in the truth.

And somebody said in the comments of this video yesterday that the real difference between the two parties had become, one party is interested in what’s true and one party is is, is just not right. Like they want to create a constructed reality. And I think that this is part of what allows such a diversity within the left.

It’s why in the left you’re able to have infamous within the right. No, in the left, in the left, you are able to have Islamists voting alongside people who are LGBT, you know, complete brainwash cultus, right? Mm-hmm. And you would think that these two things could never exist alongside each other. [00:52:00] But, but for both groups, what is consequentially true is irrelevant.

It’s about the vibes and what they hate. And that’s, that’s why I’ve pointed out that I do think eventually what is now the groyper movement is just going to become part of the leftist coalition. It actually has a lot.

Simone Collins: Oh yeah. They really are based on like, I hate this, tear this down. I resent this.

Yeah. If you are that, then you are going to just end up in that left bucket.

Speaker 14: While they share some aesthetic similarities to Republicans from like the nineties or eighties, they have almost nothing in common with the Republican movement as it exists today. , And they share a lot in common with the faction of the Democratic movement that’s very embracing of Islamist values.

Malcolm Collins: Well, they’ve, they’ve actually begun to show more and more convergence. Was the mainly stream left as time has gone on? Yeah. So it’s, it is not just that they’ve been voting left for a long time, pretty much since the inception of the movement and signal that they plan to vote left going forwards.

But if you look at the [00:53:00] Islamist contingent of the left, they actually don’t share that. Like, they do not clash that much with the Islamist faction. You see this with stuff like Tucker Carlson, where Tucker Carlson is constantly castigating people because, you know, he’s adjacent to this faction.

He’s, you know, the anti-war, he’s anti, you know, blah, blah, blah, pro Venezuela. Mm-hmm. Just because they don’t like gay people. Right. So, you know, he, he has a lot in common with this faction. I think he’s part of this larger deontological faction. But. Or more than deontological hate driven faction, but he’s repeatedly come out as pro Islam, right?

Like, how dare Christians criticize Islam? How dare Christians be okay with with Muslims being killed in this war? Very, very aggressively. If you see Nick Che’s videos, he repeatedly praised the regime and Iran saying that they were right to, you know, kill the protestors in the streets and stuff like that.

And said that he wants to create something like ISIS, but Catholic and praising the way that ISIS is operate. So, they don’t have the reflexive like, oh my God. But you understand how bad civilization would be if an ISIS [00:54:00] like model really spread that most people in the. I care about what’s true faction of the right half, right?

Because that’s not what’s interesting to them. It’s like the vibes that are interesting to them, which means that they can actually work really well alongside Islamists in a way that like superficially it would seem that they couldn’t. Mm-hmm. And if you look at the policy proposals that they’re pushing in terms of like, restrictions on, like, when I talk about like, content restrictions on the internet the, these are policy ideas that we’re beginning to see get popularity in the Islamic parts of the left, you know, in the, in the cities that are attempting to enact things like Sharia law, but also even was in the mainstream left.

Like they’ve, they’ve bubbled higher in the institutional, like voting bodies of the mainstream left than they have at the right. Mm-hmm. And these are some of the core policy ideas that this group has and is interested in. So, this, I, I, ironically I. I do think that eventually that faction will become part of the, the mainstream left.

And I, I think they are kind of [00:55:00] already part of the mainstream left. They just pretend they’re not and say that they’re not. Yeah, because that, you know, it looks like a duck and a quacks like a duck, right? If, if, if we accept that Islamists are fully leftist, right? Mm-hmm. Because I think you could say, well, they’re, they’re Christian.

They hold deep beliefs and they disagree with leftism. But the Islamist disagree with all that. And we’d still say that they’re mainstream leftist, right?

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: But back to Siwan head I think what Siwan head really represents for the right, and the fact that the left doesn’t have a figure like her, is that.

We are truly a big intent movement like the, the, the core of the new, right? Mm-hmm. And I think it’s important to maintain that so we can continue to have the electoral dominance we saw in the last election, even when we do not have the purity spiralist you know, people motivated by hate in the movement anymore.

Because as we’ve pointed out in the video where we say the racist mostly turned against the movement and they did what are your thoughts, Simone?

Simone Collins: I mean, I, I just wanted to add that that’s the same reason [00:56:00] why the right is more varied than you would expect, but I think that variance on both the left and the right is the telling part that, oh my gosh, these are actually, they’re not affiliative in the way that we maybe originally thought that.

It’s not like, I actually

Malcolm Collins: think that that variance is really, really interesting. Yeah. The people who will ultimately end up in the right leaning coalition, I think the other person said that said this is really true, is anyone who is fundamentally. Interested in the truth above all else. And if that is your

Simone Collins: interest and beyond, beyond interest in the truth.

I would say broad, broadly, and there are exceptions. I think the sargon of a cod crowd, you know, falls into one of these exceptions on this factor, but I think broadly, they’re more likely to be vitalistic and excited about building for the future.

Malcolm Collins: No, that those things are true. But what I mean by this is.

People on the right. The intellectual discussion of the right is not siloed in the way the intellectual discussion on the left is [00:57:00] siloed.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: You know, the, the L-G-B-T-Q activists are not really reading the Islamic extremist work and vice versa. Right. Like,

Simone Collins: oh

Malcolm Collins: yeah, yeah. Whereas on the right, you can go as diverse as somebody like shoe on head or contra points or something like this, and contra points isn’t even on the Right.

Right. And you can expect you know, most right-leaning influencers will be familiar with their ideas and engaging with their ideas. Mm-hmm. I, you know, and there isn’t an equivalent like that on the left. There isn’t this sort of cross and it, and it’s across ideas on the right. There is no like silo on the right, where we don’t engage with those ideas or where they don’t engage with our ideas.

Every silo on the right, even people who are. In, in so far as the grippers are still part of the right movement at all. They do go over our videos and ideas occasionally, right? Like, there is a still an intellectual interchange happening there. We are still going over those videos and incorporating ideas [00:58:00] where they make sense, like in, in terms of Israel skepticism.

That’s definitely something that I made a point to look deeply into and incorporate into our worldview. Yeah. It’s just, it didn’t, the, the evidence that I got from that didn’t flip me to, and now we should let ourselves be cuted by Iran and dicked around by them, right? Like mm-hmm. If, if we can use Israel to help deal with this threat once and for all, then we should, and rather than, than screw ourselves over for, for you know, just because it may end up helping the Jews, right? Yeah. Or split up our coalition. I, I can say genes are real. And I mean, I, I personally chose to marry somebody of my even sub ethno group and still be okay with having a movement that has people who are in interracial marriages without scolding them or anything like that.

You know, what matters is that we are discussing reality, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And, and you can discuss reality. There is a real [00:59:00] position. Where getting EE even if you take like all of the most racist positions, right? Even if you are a, like a, a racist maximalist if you’re still a realist and you’re interested in like your genes, whatever those happen to be, eventually winning, there are instances in which it makes sense to marry someone from a different ethno group.

Yeah. And a society like the one that, this is the reason why I think the people who are realists and racist in the video that we have, that we talk about this, they often end up marrying non-white women because white women have become so terrible they often end up,

Simone Collins: yeah. You feel like their only option for passing on their own white DNA is to find a non, I guess, non.

Their definition of white woman. But yeah, it’s crazy.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I mean, and e even if you’re a racialist Maximus, right? You still have passed on more white DNA by marrying a non-white person than you have by failing to find a wife.

Simone Collins: Yeah. In other words, if you marry like a typical urban monoculture brained [01:00:00] white girl boss, you might have two kids.

Whereas if you marry someone who’s a little more family oriented from a different culture, but maybe say like European, but by way of Latin America, so a lot of people wouldn’t count that. Then you could have six kids. And what I meant

Malcolm Collins: is if you don’t find a wife at all,

Simone Collins: oh sure, that too,

Malcolm Collins: you know, you’re strictly doing le like even if you’re like a Racialist Maximus, you’re doing less for the white race than the person who is, for example, JD Vance has contributed significantly more to the future genetic.

White population than Nick Fuentes has. Despite having an Indian wife. That’s

Simone Collins: true. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally true.

Malcolm Collins: So I mean, it, it, we’ve, this, this is, I mean, even if you are a racist, if, if you’re a realist, you still often end up being like, okay, but I’m still in this larger coalition.

Instead of drifting towards the left and fighting against it.

Simone Collins: [01:01:00] Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And I think that that’s why she has found herself in this is this obvious that while she has a socialist, and I wish she would examine her socialist views more, go into them more in new videos. Because I think looking back on it as an adult and seeing how much the government has effed things up so far whenever we’ve tried to give them power, she may realize that they may have been not as smart as she thought.

But then again, she is a Catholic, and Catholics are traditionally socialists. You know, the last Pope was a big socialist. They’ve done many socialist revolutions. So we’ve also gotta keep in mind that being a Catholic even, even if we say like, well, governments are corrupt and everything like that, she’ll be like, well, the church is corrupt.

Right? But like, it’s still better to rely on the institutions. And so she might just have a different set of priors than we have that would make her never not socialist.

Simone Collins: Hmm. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Anyway. Love you Simone. Glad you watch. You, you watch her videos, right? Or do not

Simone Collins: Oh, every time a new video first comes out, I watch it 100%.

She’s fun, she’s funny, she’s vitalistic. I [01:02:00] like it.

Malcolm Collins: She seems fun. I’d love to hang out sometimes if, if you’re watching this shoe on head we’d love to do something with you. Sometimes you’re, you’re always invited on the show. And you’re always, you join our dating network so our kids can date ‘cause you know mm-hmm.

We gotta, we gotta find some, somebody for our kids to date. Right. Some sane people having kids out there.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Man. The only kids who are gonna get married going forward are gonna have parental help. They’re gonna need it. So, yeah. Fun times. Speaking of which, anyone watching this podcast, there’s a lot of Basecamp listeners who are part of our kid dating network.

Most of our kids are like. 10 years old or younger at this time we’re not doing anything yet, but we will be doing some stuff as they get older to sort of get them to know each other. Do kid exchanges, you know, like, so people can experience other households, kind of like, you know, culture. What is that thing where you sending out not well, yeah, like sending out as the pilgrims did it.

But there was this thing where people would even, no, like our, our kids, our age of [01:03:00] our time would go like, live with a family abroad. I did that when

Malcolm Collins: I was a kid.

Simone Collins: Yeah. That.

Malcolm Collins: So it, like, to me it’s the most

Simone Collins: natural family ever. Most family, I guess. Yeah, yeah. Most

Malcolm Collins: family. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Because I did that with a family in Latin America.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Which is normal for wealthy Texan families to do, to send their kids to live with families in Latin America. So

Simone Collins: it’s a good way to be exposed to other cultures, other ways of life, other parents and careers.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, you wanna talk about another way of life, live with wealthy people in Latin America.

Yeah. Wealthy Latin Americans have like a totally different way of living than wealthy people in the United States. And it is, yeah. Obscenely, luxurious to an extent that I find it off putting. But okay.

Simone Collins: Octavian has been like, kind of struggling with focus with homeschooling. ‘cause now he’s getting to like, the stuff that’s kind of just, you have to power through it, you know, in first grade. ‘cause it’s not that interesting, but it’s foundational to get to the next stage. [01:04:00] And so he’s been really dragging his feet.

And so I took a recent picture of him, I put him into nano banana too, and I said, you know, age it up to age 28 and put him in front of a helicopter.

And then I made this whole persona of him based on like all of his ambitions and dreams right now. Like, you know, he’s, he’s founded various military tech startups and he has a helicopter that he flies around.

And I put that persona and that image into reality, fa reality fabricator and made a chat companion so he can speak with his future self that will help him when he’s, that’s

Malcolm Collins: really clever.

Simone Collins: Yeah. That’s really got really, he likes, like, that’s me. And you can see there’s, you can even see a little bit of you in there.

It’s, it’s kind of fun to see him a the

Malcolm Collins: image looks really good. Like it does look like a Collins and it’s just based on his current face, not like other family members.

Simone Collins: Yeah, it’s, it’s based on a I’ll show you the photo that I used as the, the basis, ‘cause you know, you can just upload photos to Nano Banana and be like, you know this, but, oh, I [01:05:00] deleted it.

Nevermind. Oh, I can just get it from my trash. So you what the reason why I wanted to use nano banana and not something else was that. Google is really, really good with age. Like it’s able to take even really old photos of people and be like, oh this is, you know, Simone Collins, this is like your grandmother when she was young.

Like we have pictures of her when she was old and then when we uploaded really old, like vintage photos of her, it recognized who she was and tagged her face in Google photos. So I feel like Google’s like facial recognition technology is really good ‘cause they have so much data.

Malcolm Collins: Incredible. Yeah. And by the, that’s.

If you want to use reality fabricated with your kids, ‘cause we have a audio chat feature as well for the companion app. Go into the website, go r fab.ai/demo, and it locks the site on that device into a safer work mode, hiding all the not safe for work content on the site. Which can make it a fun way to use it with your kids to like, have them talk with Power Rangers or whatever [01:06:00] they want.

Right. Like a you wanna version of how subscribers

Simone Collins: really soon.

Octavian Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Since I, since I needed to go that way since I did have

Malcolm Collins: Octavian.

Octavian Collins: Hi.

Malcolm Collins: Can you, can you tell Octavian to tell people about his new friend

Simone Collins: Octavian?

Octavian Collins: Yes.

Simone Collins: What does your future self look like? What do you look like in the future?

Octavian Collins: Like, like, like adult and like, was like, like I was like a.

Show a teleco and a he for and a hanger and like cool clothes, like, kind of like this clothes, like, like band and, Hmm. Oh yeah. Like a shirt that is black and, and I almost like at that time

Simone Collins: in the future,

Octavian Collins: yes. I almost look like a precedent of the future. And I got some and I got some hot water in and I somehow got the ice out.

It’s in the sink.

Simone Collins: He, he experimented with freezing his [01:07:00] water.

Octavian Collins: Yeah. It was really fun actually.

Simone Collins: And are you gonna, you were gonna fly future. You is gonna fly your helicopter to a campsite and you’re gonna draw a helipad with chalk and make marshmallows. It’s funny. Yeah.

Octavian Collins: Roast marshmallows,

Simone Collins: his plan, his plan basically is like, I’m gonna fly my helicopter to a campsite and then roast marshmallows, which is basically just yesterday afternoon was what he did.

Oh,

Malcolm Collins: he did that

Simone Collins: yesterday afternoon. Marshmallow. Yeah. So like he just wants our life, but with a helicopter.

Malcolm Collins: That’s great.

Simone Collins: Alright. Right, Octavia, you are, you are cleared to go play with the the spotted Sussex chickens. Go for it buddy.

Octavian Collins: Goodbye.

Simone Collins: Love you. Good job today. It did really well. I’m proud of you.

Octavian Collins: I probably, if I did 13,

Simone Collins: I knew you could buddy.

You always could. Bye.

Malcolm Collins: And for dinner tonight I’ll do Bullock again cooked in the traditional style. One the

Simone Collins: traditional, you mean the traditional Malcolm style?

Malcolm Collins: Traditional Malcolm [01:08:00] style, which is extra hot sauce and cheddar mixed in with the oz

Simone Collins: morning forage ramps.

Malcolm Collins: It was morning forged ramps. But when you cut the ramps last time you cut them into confetti this time cut them more like you would cut chives.

Simone Collins: You mean we want larger chunks?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, like large cylindrical chunks.

Simone Collins: You understand that? I cut them the same way I cut chives. It’s just you’re cutting like dull sized instead of human sized. So they just

Malcolm Collins: Oh, okay. Okay. Well that makes sense.

Simone Collins: You’re not, I can’t like enhance, I can’t enlarge them for you.

Malcolm Collins: Enhance, enhance.

Simone Collins: I

Malcolm Collins: I, I wasn’t sure if you were doing that with like the big in parts.

Simone Collins: That’s what they become when you chop them. Like you chop chives. They’re actually really small.

Malcolm Collins: No, no. The big bulbs at the end,

Simone Collins: the ones that you gave me yesterday didn’t have big bulbs at the ends to get the dirt off, you pull off the outside sheath, you cut off the very tip the [01:09:00] root.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: And then that’s all you’ve left. And that, that is chopped like chives looks like what you got and it’s small but it

Malcolm Collins: must have accidentally cut off the bulbs.

Simone Collins: I was really careful that not, ‘cause there’s not a lot there.

Malcolm Collins: All right, well I guess we’ll see. We’ll save the leaves again today and that should give us enough leaves for a leaf dish.

Simone Collins: Oh yeah. Did you want, so you don’t want me to ‘cause I was gonna chop them really finely and then mix them in with butter to make herb butter. But if you don’t wanna do that, I can try something else. Well,

Malcolm Collins: yeah, let’s try that. Let’s try the least for an herb

Simone Collins: butter. Herb butter to put on steak, because I can also thaw out steak for like Sunday.

Malcolm Collins: I think that’s a great idea.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: All right, I’ll get started. You’re such a wonderful wife, by the way. Thank you so much.

Simone Collins: Because I made an AI of our son. He looks good. He looks a lot like you, but like, but very much Octavian. It’s, I, I, now I wanna make like future aged up versions of all our kids using

Malcolm Collins: Oh yeah, I do too.

Yeah, they, they, he looks kind of like, what a [01:10:00] Trump’s kid though. Like Baron Trump aged up a bit.

Simone Collins: Baren Trump doesn’t look like that, but he looks so much like, it’s definitely, it’s definitely him.

Yeah, it’s cool. God, if

Malcolm Collins: he looks like that, that’d be so cool.

Simone Collins: Malcolm that, I mean, that looks like you, you know, it’s the, the acorn head’s still there, you know, that, that confident look it, it, it, it looks like what your son would look like growing up.

Malcolm Collins: Alright, well I’ll include it in the video. So if you

Simone Collins: would, one of the things that really hit people, like unmarried. Unmarried, sorry often unmarried, but mostly childless couples was when they had AI create, you know, versions of their photos that had kids. And I think doing things like aging up your kids or making an image of you as a childless couple with kids can really help you understand the,

Malcolm Collins: oh, I have a fun idea.

So in my Stanford thread right now, they keep sharing pictures of them. What was like their one kid. I was, is

Simone Collins: trolling

Malcolm Collins: with like, with family, but I should get one and just have, add a [01:11:00] bunch of extra kids. So I share one with like 12 kids or something, just like a sea of children. What do you think?

What do you think? Come on.

Simone Collins: I thought you were just gonna fix their pictures of like them plus a couple.

Malcolm Collins: Oh no. That’d be so mean. Be

Simone Collins: boyfriend, but really funny and you never know. Could convince them.

Malcolm Collins: Dysphoria. I would be banned from the group so quick.

Simone Collins: I know, I know. They’re already banned me. It’s only a matter of time that they banned you.

All

Malcolm Collins: right, all, I’ll get started.

Indy Collins: Mommy, can you go? Okay, so what’s happening here guys? Iny, do you like the purple cake? Go this. And it’s super. Oh, you’re going for it, girl. Titan, what about you? Do you like the cake? Yeah. Yeah? You happy? What about you, Tex? Can I talk to Tex? What? What does this text say? Text. Text. What do you think? You [01:12:00] smiling noodle.

Speaker 11: Okay. Octavian, what do you think? I think Taylor took it. What? I just want you to, I think your butt my, I was just kidding. I.

You think so them down like this right here. And I’ll take a picture. Ready? You gonna make it? If I was, if I was allowed to throw the pie at the camera, I would show the viewers. But you’re not right. Rah, rah, rah. Do you like the viewers? Yes. When I subscribe to my.

Simone Collins: So you don’t wanna eat cake, you wanna eat dinosaurs? Is that it? No. Yeah, but you, you’re also a shark princess That eats cake.

Oh, yum, yum, yum. Do you like your purple cake? My beautiful princess? Yeah. [01:13:00] Yeah.

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