Is There a Window Dressing Policy?

The G-fans signed the Equator Principles in 2003, but they didn't get there instantly. They'll start by getting out of the most extreme things and then activists keep coming back to tighten it. So I think if people at banks are really serious, they have to establish a dialogue with the activists or keep a dialogue going. And beyond that, there's also other things they need to do to ensure that they actually are forcing decarbonization to happen.