The Importance of Conversations With Carl June

I definitely enjoyed so much a conversation with Carl June. He's one of the really references of the field. So getting to talk to him in such a one out to one situation was amazing. And I also, but I like that in general, we've had other guests that have been working on for many years that started in the 80s and 90s when nothing was known or feminology. But these people, they, they started when so little was known, it's so great to actually have this kind of living memory.