N.T. Wright: Heaven Isn't the Endgame — New Creation and God's Homecoming
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Interlocking realities: heaven and earth
Wright explains Genesis to Revelation as a bipartite reality where heaven and earth belong together.
Is The Greatest Shift in Christian Theology Going From Heaven to Earth?
Heaven isn't the point of the gospel—and N.T. Wright challenges the "accept Jesus and escape earth" narrative of Christianity. Curtis Chang talks with Wright, leading theologian and prolific author, about New Creation and his latest book God's Homecoming: The Forgotten Promise of Future Renewal, asking whether the Bible's promise is the Kingdom of God on earth—or simply going to heaven when you die. They examine the "royal priesthood" calling, what this means for life after death and suffering now, and the true purpose of Christian faith.
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03:43 - The Continuity Between Old and New Testaments
05:05 - Reject Platonism and Embracing New Creation?
08:04 - A Vision More Demanding Than The "Ticket To Heaven" Gospel
13:48 - What Does This Mean For Grace, Works, and Human Vocation?
19:53 - Divergence on the Meaning of The Kingdom of God
27:24 - The Problem of Evil and the "Now and Not Yet"
34:59 - A Pastoral Response to Heaven-Focused Theology
40:41 - How Are Heaven and Earth Interlocking Realities?
47:59 - The Royal Priesthood: Humanity's Biblical Mandate
51:47 - Tom Wright's Future Projects and Reflections
Scriptures:
- Revelation 5:9-10 (ESV) - kingdom + priests reign on the earth
- Exodus 19:6; Deuteronomy 7:6; 1 Peter 2:9 (ESV) - royal priesthood
- Genesis 1-2 (ESV) - creation "very good"; humanity's vocation
- Revelation 21–22 (ESV) - new heaven/new earth; God dwelling with humanity
- Romans 12:2 (ESV) - renewing of the mind
- Romans 8:21–23 (ESV) - creation set free; redemption of bodies
- Malachi 3:1 + Isaiah 40:3 (ESV) - prepare the way; the Lord coming to his temple
- Psalm 8 (ESV) - humanity crowned with glory/honor; vocation
- Ephesians 4 (ESV) - new humanity; community ethics
Mentioned in This Episode:
- N.T. Wright's book God's Homecoming: The Forgotten Promise of Future Renewal
- N.T. Wright's book Surprised by Hope
- What is the Bar Kokhba Revolt?
- What is the Mishnah?
- "Teach Me, My God and King" (George Herbert / "The Elixir")
- Tom Holland's book Dominion: How the Christian Revolution Remade the World
- C.S. Lewis' book Miracles
- Scot McKnight's book Reading Romans Backwards: A Gospel of Peace in the Midst of Empire
More from N.T. Wright:
Past Conversations with N.T. Wright:
- Good Faith ep. 207: N.T. Wright Explains Ephesians: The Church, Christian Nationalism, & the Armor of God
- Good Faith ep. 128: The Unseen Spiritual Powers Shaping Our World (with N.T. Wright)
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