Escaping, grieving, and encountering grace

What happens when the leaders you trusted are exposed—and the system you believed in starts to collapse?

In this episode, I sit down with Naomi Wright, founder of Be Emboldened, to walk through the real fallout of spiritual abuse, cover-up culture, and false authority in the church. Naomi shares her firsthand experience growing up in a cult, escaping it, and rebuilding her understanding of God, truth, and Scripture from the ground up.

We also address the growing controversy surrounding Bethel and the broader New Apostolic Reformation movement—where recent exposures have raised serious questions about prophecy, leadership, and accountability in the church.

We dig into the broader implications of these revelations, including patterns of manipulation, fake prophecy, and the protection of abusers. More importantly, we answer the question many are asking right now: What next? 

This conversation tackles:

How to recognize spiritual abuse and high-control leadership

Why people stay—and why leaving is so difficult

The psychological and theological aftermath of deception

How to rebuild discernment and trust in Scripture

Practical steps for individuals and churches moving forward

If you’re processing disillusionment, questioning what you’ve been taught, or trying to help others navigate the aftermath—this episode provides clarity, categories, and a path forward grounded in truth.

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