From grassroots to government partnership

In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas speaks to U.S. Navy veteran Shawn VanDiver, founder of AfghanEvac, about the fate of Afghans who worked alongside American forces during the U.S. occupation, and how the Trump administration’s immigration restrictions are increasingly freezing them out.

Shawn explains:

• Who America’s Afghan allies were and the risks they took
• The complex tragedy of the National Guardsmen shooting in Washington D.C.
• The Special Immigrant Visa system and why it failed
• Trump’s first travel ban and the dismantling of refugee pathways
• The Doha Agreement and the chaotic U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan
• The creation of AfghanEvac and cooperation with the U.S. government
• How Trump’s second term is closing the door on Afghan allies

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Conflicted is a Message Heard production.

Executive Producers: Jake Warren & Max Warren.

This episode was produced by Thomas Small and edited by Lizzy Andrews.

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