What's Making It Work for You?

Ges: I've done a lot of commissioned work, and that's been really interesting for me. And overtime, i've started saying, like, i can be commissioned, but it's got to be self-indulgent art. So you say, i'm doing art for a living, and i'd say that you're doing writing for a living as well. Like, what's making it work for you? Ges: It's not just making art for myself. It's pushing the art that i make for myself on to other people.