Schumer's 'Getting Schumed' Leadership Problem

Chuck Todd reveals that Trump's planned visit to Beijing on May 14th and 15th may function as a de facto deadline for wrapping up the Iran war, noting that Trump wants to end the conflict more than the Iranian regime does — a devastating negotiating position — and that his own voters are being hit hardest by soaring gas prices since they drive more than the average American, while lawmakers in compact D.C. remain insulated from the pain. He unpacks the Gulf states' precarious calculus: the Saudis and Emiratis are terrified Trump will retreat and leave Iran with leverage, knowing that once the U.S. leaves the region it isn't coming back anytime soon, but they also have significant business leverage over Trump and his family that complicates every decision. He then pivots to what should be a triumphant moment for Democrats — they've flipped 30 Republican seats since Trump took office without losing a single one, won two government shutdowns, and are operating in the best political climate in years — but finds a party that feels leaderless, with Chuck Schumer at the center of the dysfunction. He reports that some Senate Democrats want Schumer to step aside, that he's become paranoid about leaks and tells different caucus members what they want to hear (a tactic known internally as "getting Schumed"), He closes with a sharp critique of Democrats in Virginia who are advocating for indefensible partisan redistricting — arguing that the Democratic brand still has lower favorability than both the GOP and MAGA brands, that the Democratic base is smaller than the Republican base and therefore needs moderates to win, and that deploying the same gerrymandering tactics they claim to oppose is exactly the kind of hypocrisy that keeps voters from trusting the party.

Then, Maryland Congressman Johnny Olszewski — the author of the Pardon Integrity Act, a proposed constitutional amendment that would give Congress the power to reject presidential pardons with a two-thirds supermajority vote — joins the Chuck Toddcast for a frank conversation about fixing a broken democracy and what Democrats should prioritize if they retake the House. Olszewski argues that the presidential pardon is the biggest loophole between democracy and autocracy, a power straight out of a monarchy that the founders failed to adequately check, and notes that Congress actually tried to curb pardon authority after Nixon but the effort stalled. His amendment, which is structured like a veto override and has already attracted Republican co-sponsor Don Bacon, would allow 20 House members and five senators to initiate a review process with 60 days to nullify a pardon. Olszewski is careful to spread the blame across parties — calling Trump's 1,600 pardons in 2025 alone "exceptionally egregious" but acknowledges that Biden’s preemptive pardons were a bad thing — and says nobody in Congress actually thinks the proposal is a bad idea.

The conversation broadens into a sobering assessment of congressional dysfunction and the state of American democracy. Olszewski describes the current Congress as one of the least productive ever, with both parties proposing unpassable messaging bills rather than legislating, and warns that partisan redistricting combined with partisan primaries creates a vicious cycle where the Republicans most willing to compromise are the ones most likely to lose their primaries. On Democratic strategy, Olszewski argues that if impeachable offenses exist they should be pursued but the party must focus on voters' needs, that Hakeem Jeffries should center his speakership on affordability if Democrats retake the House, and that Congress needs to come together to ban bipartisan gerrymandering. He insists that repairing democracy transcends partisan politics — the country needs people to believe in the institution of Congress again, and that requires restraints not just on this president but on all future ones.

Finally, Chuck proposes a major change to the NCAA basketball tournament… an expanded, 96 team playoff that would benefit both athletics and academics, celebrates the start of the MLB season, and answers listeners’ questions in the “Ask Chuck” segment.

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Timeline:

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00:00 Chuck Todd’s introduction

3:00 We may have a new deadline for Trump to wrap up the Iran war

3:30 Trump to visit Beijing on May 14th & 15th

4:45 Trump wants to end the war more than the Iranian regime

6:15 Trump voters drive more, gas prices will impact them more

7:30 Lawmakers are insulated from gas prices since D.C. is compact

8:45 Saudis and Emirates afraid Trump will retreat & leave Iran with leverage

9:45 Gulf states know that once the U.S. leaves they aren’t coming back soon

11:15 Saudis and Emirates have business leverage over Trump & his family

12:00 Trump will have to weigh business vs. political interests

13:00 Ground forces still being deployed to the region

14:00 Democrats in great political climate, but party feels rudderless & leaderless

14:45 Dems have flipped 30 Republican seats since Trump took office, lost none

15:30 Democrats have ushered in two government shutdowns & winning both

17:00 ICE’s abuses drove Dems to shutdown, the public largely supports them

17:45 Deploying ICE to airports is a dumb political move by Trump

19:15 Markwayne Mullin seems open to getting rid of ICE masking

21:15 The traveling public needs to be insulated from these political fights

22:30 Democrats should make the deal, but Chuck Schumer struggling to lead

23:15 Senate Democrats want Schumer to step aside as leader

26:00 Brian Schatz could be potential replacement, but expressed support for Schumer

28:30 Many longtime establishment senators have rallied behind Schumer

29:30 Schumer seems paranoid of leaks, and doesn’t share enough information

31:00 Confusion between senate Dems over whether there was deal to end shutdown

32:15 Schumer trying to appease everyone, telling them what they want to hear

33:00 The tactic is known as “Getting Schumed”

35:00 Schumer seems to have lost his fastball & is always looking over his shoulder

36:15 Schumer has become the stand-in for the establishment

37:45 Schumer can’t be seen as fighting the progressives and losing

40:00 Abigail Spanberger didn’t run as a partisan, forced into partisan redistricting

41:45 Partisan redistricting results in the election of partisan hacks

44:45 Dem base is smaller than GOP base, Dems need to win moderates

45:45 Dems in Virginia are advocating for indefensible partisan redistricting

46:45 Democratic brand still has lower favorability than GOP & MAGA  

53:00 Chuck’s proposal for the NCAA basketball tournament

54:15 Big East is closer to the A10 than the other power conferences

55:15 People say they love cinderellas in the Final Four, then don’t watch

56:30 Applications surge to mid-majors that advanced far in tournament

58:30 Schools were able to get higher quality students & faculty

59:00 Success in athletics leads to success in academics

59:30 Expand the tournament to 96 teams

1:00:45 96 teams is still less than 1/3rd of potential schools

1:02:15 Expanded tournament would be a net positive for higher education

1:03:45 Four regions, 24 teams per region - 2 teams seeded 9-16

1:06:30 You get more basketball, and a better chance for midmajors

1:08:45 Everybody would make more money, & it’d be more fan friendly

1:11:00 The best teams would still advance

1:13:30 It’s opening day in Major League Baseball

1:15:30 Most intriguing MLB teams

1:18:45 MLB dark horses

1:20:00 Ask Chuck

1:20:15 Why didn’t you include 1858 Lincoln v Douglas in Top 5 Illinois campaigns?

1:22:15 If we don’t get oil from the Strait of Hormuz, why have our gas prices gone up?

1:24:00 How can we rebalance focus from national to local politics?

1:29:30 Was Kristi Noem’s DHS PR campaign in service of a presidential run?

1:33:00 Do you think Trump will invade Iran with boots on the ground?

1:35:45 Who is advising the president on potential outcomes, intel seems degraded?

1:42:45 Could Democrats benefit from putting forward a “contract with America”

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