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We're joined by jason brummet and Scott morison to talk about a new article in the journal of orthbetic and sports, physical therapy. The authors are laura coker, orr, coker, did i say that right? Any of you dutch? All right, maybe one of our listeners willll write it to us phonetically. Jason: Strong evidence that esup strengthening is more effective in reducing pain and increasing function than advice and information alone. There is also strong evidence that combining it with other interventions may be more effective for reducing pain but not improving function.