Charismatic Draw: The Presence Over Programs

What if it's okay to live a totally ordinary life?

In this episode of Holy Shift we sat down with Andy Squyres to talk about:

• his journey from worship pastor to writer and songwriter,
• evangelicalism's limited vocabulary for pain and suffering,
• how to break the cycle of trying to live an extraordinary life,
• and Andy's take on not becoming cynical after leaving ministry.