Phone OS vs. App for AI Agents

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Today’s show: It’s a packed show! We’ve got YouTuber and Openclaw enthusiast Matthew Berman, Ryan Yaneli, founder of Nextvisit, and Jason Grad, founder of Massive! We’re all in on Openclaw, but we have no doubts there’s still room in the market for a GIANT Openclaw consumer app to shift the paradigm. What will that look like? Will it be an app? Will it be baked into the iPhone? Let’s explore!

**Timestamps:*

00:00 Intro

02:04 Why Matthew thinks Openclaw is not ready yet to be brought to the consumer

04:45 Jason doesn’t want hundreds of different apps, and thousands of tabs

05:45 Why Ryan sees open claw giving consumers access to opportunities they couldn’t have gotten to otherwise.

07:02 Only 10% of people are technical enough to install openclaw

08:16 Would Openclaw be better off as an app?

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10:52 The killer use case that could bring Openclaw to the consumer

00:12:13 Why Meta acquired Manus.

00:15:13 How Ryan uses Openclaw in his personal life

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00:23:24 What Jason’s “Clawpod” does

00:24:38 Jason demos his Openclaw workflow

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00:30:04 How Matt used Openclaw to figure out he’s been having stomach issues

00:32:27 What will be the ultimate UX for AI?

00:38:53 Anthropic has patched the ability to use Openclaw through its pro plan!

00:42:20 Matt and Jason hope for a multi-model future — but we haven’t made progress!

00:52:21 Jason has skepticisms about the Openclaw foundation

00:52:59 Ryan predicts a new Openclaw fork coming from the shadows!

00:54:21 Peter Steinberger is going to OpenAI, NOT to work with Openclaw… Will he “orphan” openclaw

00:58:19 does raspberry AI stand a chance against Apple?

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