Outsider status and the power of liminality

Charlie and hosts discuss how otherness and liminal roles (shamans, witches) create power and enable magic.

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VYS0058 | Queer Devotion - Vayse to Face with Charlie Claire Burgess - Show notes

The first Vayse interview of 2026 is with someone that Hine and Buckley have wanted to interview for years, it's none other than Charlie Claire Burgess! As an author and artist working at the intersection of spirituality and queerness, Charlie has written two of the most original and powerful spiritual books of the decade, Radical Tarot and Queer Devotion and has created the Fifth Spirit Tarot Deck, the Gay Marseille Tarot deck and has a third deck, the Aquarius Rising Oracle Deck in the works.

Charlie was super generous with their time and ideas, talking about how tarot was their rebellion against a conservative religious upbringing, how their attempt at conforming with societal norms and expectations left them searching for more and how discovering the way in which their magic and queerness is intertwined led them to finding themselves, others like them and a new direction in life.

The conversation also wanders through Charlie's process in creating the Fifth Spirit Tarot, the importance of self-expression, individuality and authenticity, the magick which can arise from embracing chaos and uncertainty... and why it's always a good time to embrace your inner-teen-goth... (Recorded 15 January 2026)

Charlie's Links

Queer Devotion by Charlie Claire Burgess
Radical Tarot by Charlie Claire Burgess
Fifth Spirit Tarot
The Gay Marseille Tarot
The Aquarius Rising Oracle
Charlie's Website
Charlie's Instagram
Charlie's Bluesky
Charlie's Substack