How Did You Get to Like Mason?

I was a very young treasurer at a privately held company called J.E. Baker, which sold refractories to the steel and cement industry. I got to like Mason because my wife was a broker at like Mason. And he's got a great record with $100 billion in assets. So it's doesn't make that much of a difference. What were you doing before you were running running the value opportunity trust? He had an undergraduate degree in economics and European intellectual history from Washington and Lee in Virginia. In grad school at Johns Hopkins, she got a job at like Mason as well.