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They’re at it again. Two years after they last teamed up for a Volts/Catalyst crossover episode, David Roberts joins Shayle for another far-ranging conversation exploring the future of energy. Their prompt was simple: Each host brought three critical questions they want to see answered in the next decade.

From “data center fever” to closed-loop critical mineral economics, Shayle and David take the opportunity to dive deep into a myriad of second-order effects of the clean energy transition.

In the hour-long conversation, the two hosts cover topics including:

• The coming explosion of self-driving cars, and whether it will fuel urban sprawl
• The feasibility of "electrifying everything” and whether a proliferation of “micro-DERs” in home devices will create create a more efficient grid or a software-fueled dystopia
• The future of off-grid data centers
• Whether the pros of geoengineering and solar radiation modification, or SRM, outweigh the potential moral hazards

Resources:

• Catalyst: The Volts crossover episode
• Catalyst: The plug-in DER case for small businesses
• Catalyst: AMA: Geoengineering, nuclear, power prices, and more
• Open Circuit: Tesla’s fork in the road
• Latitude Media: The growing free-market push to let data centers go off grid

Credits: Hosted by Shayle Kann. Produced and edited by Max Savage Levenson. Original music and engineering by Sean Marquand. Stephen Lacey is our executive editor.

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