The Different Approach to Sustainable Investing

We try as much as we can to partner with the corporates to bring additional skillset. We did that in energy transition, for example, with total energies very early on. And here again, you know, at first people were maybe looking at us like, why do you need to bring a corporate? But then few years down the line, they're like, well, that's a very different proposal from older managers and there are plenty out there.