Intro

Michael Marshall and Cecil Cicirello break down Joe's November 2025 interview with Gavin de Becker.

Main

• Retroviruses as Carcinogens and Pathogens: Expectations and Reality1 | Cancer Research

• Newer, more sensitive HIV antibody tests producing false-positive results in uninfected infants | aidsmap

• Can newborn infants with positive HIV soon after birth be diagnosed with intrauterine infection? - ScienceDirect

• The Evidence That HIV Causes AIDS | National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease

• Reviewing RFK Jr.'s bad book on Fauci - Chapter 4 | Dan Wilson

• AIDS Drug AZT: How It Got Approved 30 Years Ago | TIME

• Zidovudine - Wikipedia

• NIAID: Understanding AZT and AIDS | AIDSTruth.org

• Fact Sheet: Correcting the Record on HIV/AIDS Misinformation Online | GLAAD

• The AIDS Epidemic in the United States, 1981-early 1990s | David J. Sencer CDC Museum

• Undetectable = Untransmittable - Wikipedia

• HIV Denial in the Internet Era - PMC

• HIV/AIDS denialism - Wikipedia

• "HIV Does Not Cause AIDS": A Journey into AIDS Denialism

• No, AZT hasn't caused hundreds of thousands of deaths | Fact check

• Why Are Gay Men At Higher Risk for Getting HIV?

• HIV now infects more heterosexual people than gay or bisexual men – we need a new strategy | Ian Green | The Guardian

• Mother In Middle Of HIV Medication Fight Dies - CBS Minnesota

Toolbox

• Chapter 16: Tetanus | Manual for the Surveillance of Vaccine-Preventable Diseases | CDC

• History of polio - Wikipedia

• Majority of mumps cases are among the vaccinated, CDC finds

• Measles is making a comeback: Can we stop it? - Harvard Health

Clips used under fair use from JRE show #2411

Listen to our other shows:

• Cecil - Cognitive Dissonance and Citation Needed

• Marsh - Skeptics with a K and The Skeptic Podcast

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