In this episode of the ClassicalU Podcast, philosopher D. C. Schindler joins Jesse Hake for a conversation on the metaphysical and theological foundations of classical education. Interview questions address epistemology, anthropology, the nature of true authority, and the dangers of mixing culture wars and Christian nationalism with classical education. Drawing from thinkers like Balthasar, Pieper, and John Paul II, Dr. Schindler challenges modern assumptions about knowledge and formation, proposing instead that education begins not with analysis but with awe—with a reverent participation in the givenness of being. He argues that classical education must recover a sacramental vision of reality, where truth is not merely grasped but received, contemplated, and lived.

The discussion explores the role of beauty, the distortions of technocratic modernity, and the importance of shaping educators who model metaphysical humility. Dr. Schindler also reflects on how wonder, leisure, and liturgy reorient both teaching and learning toward truth as a Person. Far from being abstract, the conversation is filled with practical implications for how we form students and communities, such as in the Postman Pledge, in the classical tradition. Listeners will come away with a renewed vision of education as a deeply human—and deeply divine—act of communion. Listeners may also be interested in these Classical U Courses: Essential Philosophy, Theology of Beauty and the Imagination: A Guide to Wonder, Teaching Modern Political Philosophy, and Boethius the Consolation of Philosophy. Listeners interested in exploring more of Dr. David Schindler’s work may enjoy these titles: Freedom from Reality, The Catholicity of Reason, The Politics of the Real, and God and the City.

Freedom from Reality

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